How can I easily simplify a derivative of sin^-1 (2x + 1)?

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function sin-1(2x + 1) and simplifying the resulting expression. Participants are exploring the mathematical reasoning behind the simplification process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the derivative obtained from Wolfram Alpha and question how to simplify it. There is a focus on the algebraic manipulation of expressions involving radicals and the implications of negative values under square roots.

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Some participants have provided insights into the simplification of the radical expressions, while others have sought clarification on the steps involved. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas regarding the algebraic transformations needed to simplify the derivative.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that all steps and assumptions are clearly communicated, as some participants express concern over the lack of detail in the original posts. The discussion also touches on the implications of negative values in the context of square roots.

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Homework Statement


Find derivative of sin^-1 (2x + 1)


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I do everything Wolfram does except I don't know how to simplify to get the final answer.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=derivative+sin^-1+(2x+++1)


The Attempt at a Solution


Everything Wolfram does basically.
 
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I don't see how you can expect anyone to tell you how to simplify what you got to Wolfram's formula, if you don't tell us what you got!
 
Ah terribly sorry. 2 / sqrt(1 - (2x + 1)^2); the last thing in the show steps part for the derivative in Wolfram.
 
Of course, you know that (2x+1)^2= 4x^2+ 4x+ 1. That means 1- (2x+1)^2= 1 -4x^2- 4x- 1= -4x^2- 4x= -4(x^2- x)= -4x(x-1).
 
HallsofIvy said:
Of course, you know that (2x+1)^2= 4x^2+ 4x+ 1. That means 1- (2x+1)^2= 1 -4x^2- 4x- 1= -4x^2- 4x= -4(x^2- x)= -4x(x-1).

But if -4x(x-1) is under a radical (as well as being multiplied) how is it that I pull a 2 out of that?
 
communitycoll said:
But if -4x(x-1) is under a radical (as well as being multiplied) how is it that I pull a 2 out of that?

\sqrt{-4x(x-1)} = \sqrt{4 \cdot -x(x-1)} = \sqrt{4} \sqrt{-x(x-1)} = 2\sqrt{-x(x-1)}

It should be noted 1 - (2x + 1)^2 = -4x(x+1). I'll leave it to you to show \sqrt{-4x(x+1)} = 2\sqrt{-x(x+1)}.
 
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communitycoll said:
But if -4x(x-1) is under a radical (as well as being multiplied) how is it that I pull a 2 out of that?
What, exactly, do you think the square root of 4 is?
 
Ah. I understand now. It took me a bit, but I understand now. Thanks.
 

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