Find the eccentricity of this ellipse

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The problem involves finding the eccentricity of an ellipse derived from the intersection of tangents at points on a circle. The original poster presents a scenario where the tangent at a point on the circle intersects with the tangent at a fixed point, leading to a locus that is claimed to be an ellipse.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equations of tangents and solve for the intersection point, but expresses difficulty due to the complexity of the variables involved. Some participants suggest simplifying the problem by fixing point A and using trigonometric representations for point P, which appears to ease the calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions for simplification and exploring different approaches. There is a recognition of the complexity involved, and some guidance has been provided to help clarify the setup.

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The eccentricity of the ellipse is noted as 1/√2, which leads to discussions about the relationship between the axes of the ellipse and the circle. The original poster is working under the constraints of deriving a locus from the given geometric configuration.

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Homework Statement


The tangent at any point P of a circle meets the tangent at a fixed point A in T, and T is joined to B, the other end of diameter through A. Prove that the locus of point of intersection of AP and BT is an ellipse whose eccentricity is 1/ \sqrt{2}

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The very first thing I do is assume the equation of a circle. The next thing is to write the equations for tangents and solve them to get T. But it is getting complicated as nothing is known to me. So there are a number of variables which can't be eliminated. Any other ideas?
 
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hi utkarshakash! :smile:
utkarshakash said:
The very first thing I do is assume the equation of a circle. The next thing is to write the equations for tangents and solve them to get T. But it is getting complicated as nothing is known to me. So there are a number of variables which can't be eliminated.

show us what you've tried, and where you're stuck, and then we'll know how to help! :smile:

alternatively, since the eccentricity is 1/√2, the minor axis must be 1/√2 time the major axis …

so have you tried squashing the whole diagram by 1/√2 (along AB), so that the the final result is a circle? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi utkarshakash! :smile:


show us what you've tried, and where you're stuck, and then we'll know how to help! :smile:

alternatively, since the eccentricity is 1/√2, the minor axis must be 1/√2 time the major axis …

so have you tried squashing the whole diagram by 1/√2 (along AB), so that the the final result is a circle? :wink:

For the sake of simplicity, let the equation of the circle be x^2 + y^2 = c^2.

Let A = (x1,y1) and P = (x2,y2)

Equation of tangent at P
xx_2 + yy_2 - c^2 = 0
Equation of tangent at A
xx_1 + yy_1 -c^2 = 0

When I solve these two equations I get

x = \dfrac{c^2 (y_2 - y_1)}{x_1y_2-x_2y_1} \\<br /> <br /> y = \dfrac{c^2 (x_1 - x_2)}{x_1y_2-x_2y_1}

OMG It looks so dangerous! I don't want to proceed ahead as the calculation will be complex and rigorous.
 
utkarshakash said:
Let A = (x1,y1) and P = (x2,y2)

no!

A is fixed, so you can simplify by letting A = (c,0) :wink:

(and P = (ccosθ,csinθ) )
 
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tiny-tim said:
no!

A is fixed, so you can simplify by letting A = (c,0) :wink:

(and P = (ccosθ,csinθ) )

That did simplify the expression to a large extent. Thanks!
 

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