Find the Electric Field E using Gauss' Law

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field using Gauss' Law in the context of point charges. The original poster attempts to find the electric field due to a charge q and a charge 4q, considering different distances from the charges.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster describes their attempts to apply Gauss' Law, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and the directions of the electric fields. They raise questions about how to determine the direction of the electric fields resulting from the charges.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in clarifying the concepts of electric field direction and the application of Gauss' Law. Some suggest using the vector form of Gauss' Law to determine directions, while others question the problem's clarity and whether the original poster is seeking the electric field or the electric flux.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the directions of the electric fields and the need for more information about the position of the point where the field is being evaluated. The original poster's calculations involve different distances from the charges, which may affect the interpretation of the problem.

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Homework Statement
Two charges +q and +4q are separated a distance of 2r. Use Gauss' Law to find the electric field E at a distance:
a) r around the charge +q
b) 3r around charge +q
Relevant Equations
##A = 4πr^2##
##E.A=\frac {q}{ε_°}##
I tried to work out both a) and b), but I am not sure if I am correct. I drew a picture with a sphere around q first with radius r and then with radius 3r.

For a) ##E.A=\frac {q}{ε_°}## (when using Gauss' Law)
Since ##A=4πr^2##, I substituted this in the equation and solved for E giving me ##E_q= \frac {kq}{r^2}##
My problem is that I am not sure if this is correct and the direction of the field is confusing me. I thought it should be negative...##E_q= -\frac {kq}{r^2}##

I then solved for the electric field using the +4q charge. This I did in the same way as the +q charge. ##E_{4q} = \frac {4q}{4πr^2ε_°}## which gives ##E_{4q}= \frac {4kq}{r^2}## I thought this would be positive.

To get the electric field E: ##E=E_{4q} - E_q## which gives ##E= \frac {3kq}{r^2}##
I am not really sure if I have done this correctly. The directions of the fields are really confusing me.

For b) I basically did the same as for a). The only difference was the distance which increased from r to 3r.

I started by saying ##E_q = \frac {q}{4π(9r^2)ε_°}## and simplifying this gives me ##E_q = \frac {kq}{9r^2}##. I thought the direction would be to the left, making it negative: ##E_q = -\frac {kq}{9r^2}##
For the other charge ##E_{4q} = \frac {4q}{4πr^2ε_°}## which gives ##E_{4q} = \frac {4kq}{r^2}##. I reckon the direction would be to the left, also making it negative: ##E_{4q} =- \frac {4kq}{r^2}##

Getting E:
##E=E_q+E_{4q}## which gives ##E= -\frac {kq}{9r^2} -\frac {4kq}{r^2}##

Upon simplification I get:
##E=-\frac {37kq}{9r^2}##

I am confused about the directions of the electric fields. Can someone maybe help me by explaining how to get the directions?
 
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Nicci said:
I am confused about the directions of the electric fields. Can someone maybe help me by explaining how to get the directions?
To get directions, you need to use the vector form of Gauss' Law. Are you familiar with how to use the (2-D) vector form?

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elesph.html#c1
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The electric field depends on the position of the point where you want to know the field not just the distance from one of the charges. Without that information you cannot answer this question. This is a bad problem as stated. Are you sure you are looking for the electric field and not the electric flux through spheres centered at charge +q?
 
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The electric field is a consequence of the presence of both charges, therefore you should take ##4q+## into account as well. Superposition theorem.

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