Find the electric field produced by the atom at the Bohr radius

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field produced by an atom at the Bohr radius, using a specific volume charge density for the electron distribution around a proton. The charge density is given as ρ = A e-2r/ao, where A is a constant, ao is the Bohr radius, and r is the distance from the center of the atom.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral to find the constant A and question whether the integral for charge Q is correctly formulated. There is also exploration of the electric field equation and the need to consider the charge enclosed within the Bohr radius.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the integral setup and the need for the correct differential element in the volume integral. There is ongoing clarification regarding the charge enclosed within the Bohr radius and its relevance to applying Gauss's law for flux calculations.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of using the entire charge versus the charge within the Bohr radius in their calculations. The discussion includes verification of the integral limits and the correct formulation of the volume element.

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an electron is distributed around a proton according to the volume charge density \rho = A e^{-2r/a_o} where A is a constant, a_o is the Bohr radius and r is the distance from the center of the atom.

Find A:
we know that Q=\int \rho dV = -e
i was wonder if this was the integral that i set up:
-e=\int _0 ^{\inf} A e^{-2r/a_o} 4 \pi r^2 dV

Find the electric field produced by the atom at the Bohr radius?
E4 pi a_o^2=-e/epsilon

then solve for E, is this right?
 
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indigojoker said:
an electron is distributed around a proton according to the volume charge density \rho = A e^{-2r/a_o} where A is a constant, a_o is the Bohr radius and r is the distance from the center of the atom.

Find A:
we know that Q=\int \rho dV = -e
i was wonder if this was the integral that i set up:
-e=\int _0 ^{\inf} A e^{-2r/a_o} 4 \pi r^2 dV

Looks right to me... except should have dR in the integral.

Find the electric field produced by the atom at the Bohr radius?
E4 pi a_o^2=-e/epsilon

then solve for E, is this right?

Left side looks right... but on the right side you need the charge enclosed within the bohr radius... not the entire charge...
 
the reason why its dr is because:

dV=4pir^2dr

right?For the second part, what is the charge enclosed within the bohr radius? I am not quite sure how that plays a role in the equation for flux.
 
indigojoker said:
the reason why its dr is because:

dV=4pir^2dr

right?

yes.

For the second part, what is the charge enclosed within the bohr radius?

integrate \rho dV from 0 to a_o

I am not quite sure how that plays a role in the equation for flux.

what does gauss law say about the flux through the spherical surface at r=a_o
 
so the right side should really be:

E 4 \pi a_{o}^{2} = \frac{\int_0^{a_o} A e^{-2r/a_o} 4 \pi r^2 dr}{\epsilon_o}
 
indigojoker said:
so the right side should really be:

E 4 \pi a_{o}^{2} = \frac{\int_0^{a_o} A e^{-2r/a_o} 4 \pi r^2 dr}{\epsilon_o}

Right... with dR in the integral on the right side...
 
what is the dR integral?

isnt that what i have?
 
indigojoker said:
what is the dR integral?

isnt that what i have?

oops sorry... yes, that's right... I thought I saw dV there before I clicked reply... did you change it?

Anyway, it looks correct now.
 
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haha yes i changed it right when i saw the dV, you must have hit reply while the system was updating :P
 
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indigojoker said:
haha yes i changed it right when i saw the dV, you must have hit reply while the system was updating :P

:wink:
 

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