Find the electric potential energy of this system of charges

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The problem involves calculating the electric potential energy of a system consisting of two point charges, one fixed at the origin and the other positioned at a specific coordinate. The discussion also includes determining the speed of the second charge when it moves to another point after being released from rest.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the work-energy principle to find the electric potential energy but expresses uncertainty about how to start. They also question how to utilize the given coordinates for the second part of the problem.
  • Some participants suggest conceptualizing the movement of the charge from infinity to its position and relate it to gravitational potential energy to aid understanding.
  • Others raise concerns about the negative values encountered when calculating potential energy differences and question the implications of these results.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the electric potential energy calculations and discussing the implications of negative values in their results. Some guidance has been provided regarding the conceptual framework for approaching the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or resolution yet.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the assumption that the electric potential energy at infinity is zero, which is a common convention in electrostatics. Additionally, the discussion reflects confusion regarding the application of the equations and the interpretation of results, particularly in relation to the coordinates provided.

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Homework Statement


A point charge q_1 = 86.5 uC is held fixed at the origin. A second point charge, with mass m = 5.90×10−2 kg and charge q2 = -2.95 uC, is placed at the location (0.323 m, 0)
1) Find the electric potential energy of this system of charges.
2)If the second charge is released from rest, what is its speed when it reaches the point (0.121 m, 0)?


Homework Equations



W = EPEa - EPEb

The Attempt at a Solution

I think the above equation is used in 1 but I'm not sure how to start it. For 2, I'm not sure how to figure out the problem using the x,y coordinates given. Any help would be appreciated
 
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alright so what you are basically doing is bringing a charge from infinity to a point (0.323,0) The reason you have to think about it this way is that the only way that charge is in existence, but not part of the initial system's energy is if it is an infinite distance away. so what you want to do is take EPEi(i denoting infinity), and subtract from it EPEb.

For your second question think about it like gravity. You have the Earth at the origin. you want to find the speed when something falls from 323 meters in the air to 121 meters in the air. So you are going to find the difference in potential energy. So the equation is the same. So you are going to have kq/0.121 - kq/0.323. that will give the kinetic energy gained by the charge. Throw that energy in the E = 0.5mv² and there you go. solve for v
 
oh and by the way EPEi is always 0 since r is infinity
 
ok so I'm still not exactly comprehending number 1. so basically we "start" at infinity and move to a point (.323), which in this case we find the difference (kq/.323- kq/0). so is this the EPE of the charges? there seems like there would be more to this problem.
for 2, i am getting a negative number when i subtract kq/.121 - kq/.323. thus i can't take a sq root. am i doing something wrong?
thanks for all your help
 
the negative is not an issue in this case. The negative is a separate issue a lot of times in EM. It has something to do with who the charge is being moved by and so on. But in this case you are only looking for a difference in energy. so just make the negative number a positive one.

for the first question, the 0 you put on the denominator is actually an infinity. which puts kq/infinity which is equal to 0. so you are basically finding the potential of kq/0.323
 

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