Find the equation of the curve given: ##\frac{dy}{dx}=2(kx-1)^5##

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a curve given the differential equation ##\frac{dy}{dx}=2(kx-1)^5##. Participants explore integration techniques and the implications of specific points on the curve.

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  • Participants discuss integration methods and the use of specific points to determine constants in the equation. There is mention of trial and error for finding factors of a polynomial derived from the integration process. Some participants express interest in alternative approaches beyond the methods already discussed.

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The discussion is active, with multiple participants sharing their approaches and questioning the use of binomial expansion. Some guidance has been offered regarding polynomial division and substitutions, but no consensus has been reached on a single method or solution.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to find the equation based on given points and the challenge of exploring different methods without relying on binomial expansion.

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Homework Statement
See attached textbook question and solution
Relevant Equations
Integration - Calculus
This is the question...hmmmm it stressed me a little bit.:cool:

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Find the textbook solution here; no. 6

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Now my approach to this was as follows;

On integration,

##y=\dfrac{(kx-1)^6}{3k} +c##

on using the point ##(0,1)## and ##(1,8)##, we end up with

##1=\dfrac{1}{3k} +c##
##8=\dfrac{(k-1)^6}{3k} +c##

it follows that,

##8=\dfrac{(k-1)^6}{3k} + \dfrac{3k-1}{3k} ##
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##(k-1)^6+3k-1-24k=0##

##(k-1)^6-21k-1=0##

##k^6-6k^5+15k^4-20k^3+15k^2-6k+1-21k-1=0##

I let ##P(k)=k^6-6k^5+15k^4-20k^3+15k^2-6k+1-21k-1##

using trial and error method from ##±0, ±1...## i got ##P(3)=0## implying ##k=3## is a factor,

thus substituting on;

##1=\dfrac{1}{3k} +c##

we get;

##1=\dfrac{1}{3×3} +c##

##1=\dfrac{1}{9} +c##

##c=\dfrac{8}{9}##

Therefore;

##y=\dfrac{(3x-1)^6}{3×3} +\dfrac{8}{9}##

##y=\dfrac{(3x-1)^6+8}{9}##

I would be interested if there would be another approach to this question. Cheers guys.
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: See attached textbook question and solution
Relevant Equations:: Integration - Calculus

I would be interested if there would be another approach to this question. Cheers guys.
With ##t:=kx-1## and integration you get quickly to ##y=\dfrac{2}{6k}(kx-1)^6+c## with two equations and two unknowns.
 
fresh_42 said:
With ##t:=kx-1## and integration you get quickly to ##y=\dfrac{2}{6k}(kx-1)^6+c## with two equations and two unknowns.
Hi @fresh_42 ...that is the same approach that i used. Maybe i ought to be specific...is there a different way other than using the binomial expansion?
 
chwala said:
Hi @fresh_42 ...that is the same approach that i used. Maybe i ought to be specific...is there a different way other than using the binomial expansion?
Whatever we do, we will have the equation ##21k=(k-1)^6-1.## I did another substitution, ##s:=k-1,## got ##s^6-21s-22=0## where you can read of ##s=-1## immediately. I asked WA for the solution, but you can of course do the long division ##(s^6-21s-22):(s+1)=-22 + s - s^2 + s^3 - s^4 + s^5## and see whether you can guess ##s=2,## or check ##\pm1, \pm 2, \pm 11## as divisors of ##22## and hope that the solution is an integer solution.At least it does not use binomial expansion, only division. But you cannot make the polynomial go away.
 
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