Find the forces applied to a rotating level

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a massless, non-deformable bar rotating about a fixed point, with forces acting on two masses at either end. The original poster seeks to determine the forces applied to these masses using load cell measurements and known accelerations, while considering the angles and dynamics of the system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the significance of the equations that may be relevant to the problem, such as ΣF=ma. There are inquiries about the implications of the bar being a "level" and whether the problem can be solved with angular acceleration as an unknown.

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Some participants have provided clarifications on the types of equations that might be useful, while others are prompting the original poster to share their initial work to facilitate further assistance. The conversation is open-ended, with various interpretations and approaches being explored.

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The problem includes specific input values and unknowns, and gravity is considered in the vertical direction. There is an emphasis on the need for the original poster to present their work before receiving more targeted help.

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Homework Statement
Solve parametrically the system with g, load cell measurements and know accelerations.
Relevant Equations
to be found
Homework Statement: Solve parametrically the system with g, load cell measurements and know accelerations.
Homework Equations: to be found

Consider that we know angles tetha(t) of a mass-less link rotating about its centerr O. - so we also have velocities and accelerations - and values of bidirectional forces on a load cell under the two masses. So we have the tengential and normal forces applied to the 2 segment extremities. I need to find the two forces vector (4 unknown) which are the 2 forces applied over the masses.
 

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Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Please go ahead and start the problem so we can offer tutorial help. Until you show us your work, we are not allowed to help you.

What equations do you think you should start with? And what is the significance of the object being a "level"? I don't get that part of the question yet...
 
"Homework Equations" means standard equations that may be relevant, like ΣF=ma.
 
I have a massless and non-deformable bar with a central point which is fixed O (geometrical midpoint) and that allows rotation of the bar and separates completely tensions along the bar (so that the tangential forces on the right side are discharged in the center as well as the left side ones). On each side there is a mass ad a force acting on it. The two mass are resting on a load-cell (as a scale all around it = the red rectangular shape in the drawing) that measure the resultant forces along and perpendicular to the bar.

Input values are M1, M2, (W1)tang, (W1)norm, (W2)tang, (W2)norm, the length of the bar, angle (inclination of the bar) as a function of t and its derivatives angular velocity and angular acceleration alpha. The unknown are the 2 force vectors F1 and F2.
I would also like to ask if the problem is solvable with alpha among the unknowns.
Gravity is in the vertical direction of the drawing.

1. (W1)n= M1ωr+F1sinβ1+ M1gsinθ

2. (W2)n= M2ωr+F2sinβ2+ M2gsinθ

3. (W1)t= M1gcosθ+F1cosβ1-M1αr

4. (W2)t= M2gcosθ+F2cosβ2-M2αr

5. F1cosβ1r+M1gcosθ-M1r2α= F2cosβ2r+M2gcosθ-M2r2α

dθ/dt=ω

dω/dt=α
 

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