# Find the frequency of the cylinder's vertical vibration

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1. Feb 20, 2016

### CGI

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

2. Relevant equations

w = √k/m
w = 2π/P
ƒ = 1/P

3. The attempt at a solution
I feel like I'm so close to the answer, I think it has something to do with the fact that there's a spring and pulley in the system that is throwing my answer off. I have

√k/m = 2π/P

So,

P = 2π(√m/k) Then we take the number one and divide it by P to find frequency

1/2π(√m/k) which I get to be

ƒ = √(k/m) / 2π, which is close, but not quite. The answer is actually

ƒ = √(k/m)/(4π)

Can anyone help me understand where I'm going wrong? Thank you! :)

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2. Feb 20, 2016

### TSny

Can you repost the figure so that the entire figure is visible?

3. Feb 20, 2016

### CGI

I'm not sure what you mean. The cylinder, pulley and spring is the entire figure. Or is the picture not visible?

4. Feb 20, 2016

### TSny

The picture is visible, but I can't tell what is at the bottom end of the string on the right side.
Edit: OK, I thought there was more to it. The string is fixed at the lower right. Sorry, I get it now.

5. Feb 20, 2016

### CGI

Oh, I believe the bottom of the string is attached to a fixed end.

6. Feb 20, 2016

### TSny

Thanks.

7. Feb 20, 2016

### TSny

If the spring stretches by an amount Δx, what is the vertical displacement Δy of the cylinder?

8. Feb 20, 2016

### CGI

Would Δy = 1/2Δx?

9. Feb 20, 2016

### TSny

Yes. No, but you have the right idea.

10. Feb 20, 2016

### CGI

Okay,but how exactly would the change in displacement affect the frequency? Would the displacement affect the value of K? Therefore, changing our ω?

11. Feb 20, 2016

### TSny

No, the spring constant is an inherent property of the spring. k is not affected by displacements of the spring or cylinder. I spoke too soon in post 9 where I first agreed with your answer in post 8. Do you see the correct relation between Δy of the cylinder and Δx of the spring?

Next, you might consider the situation where the cylinder is hanging at rest. What is the tension in the string? What is the force of the spring? How much is the spring stretched when the cylinder is hanging at rest?