Find the height of the tree - understanding the task

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving the use of the law of sines to determine the height of a tree located alongside a road with a 7% grade. The original poster seeks clarification on the setup of the problem and the relationships between the elements involved, including the tree, the road, and the angles formed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the geometric relationships in the problem, questioning the interpretation of the angles and lengths involved. The original poster attempts to clarify whether their assumptions about the triangle formed by the tree and the road are correct.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the geometric configuration and discussing the implications of the tree being vertical. There is a focus on ensuring the original poster understands the relationships between the angles and sides of the triangle, with some guidance provided on which angles to consider for applying the law of sines.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of the road's grade on the angles involved, particularly whether certain angles can be assumed to be 90 degrees. The original poster is also working with a drawing that may not accurately represent the situation, leading to further questions about the setup.

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Homework Statement


Hello!
Please, help me to understand the task - I seem to fail to understand what goes where, and hence cannot proceed to solving the exercise. Please, take a look at the task, and then my questions. The task is on using the law of sines. Before trying to solve it I need to understand the exercise itself.

Homework Equations


Along a long, straight stretch of mountain road with a 7% grade, you see a tall tree standing

perfectly plumb alongside the road. From a point 500 feet downhill from the tree, the angle

of inclination from the road to the top of the tree is 6. Use the Law of Sines to find the

height of the tree. (Hint: First show that the tree makes a 94 angle with the road.)

The Attempt at a Solution


I would like to draw what's going on with this road. I am attaching a horrific picture (horrific because I draw it on the trackpad, and as it is a pure square it was not easy to draw anything), but at least it gives some idea.

Do I assume correctly that:
(1) 500 feet is the length of the horizontal leg of a right triangle, CB on the picture;
(2) then the trunk of a tree forms a vertical leg of a right triangle, AB on the picture;
(3) A is the top of the tree, so angle of inclination 6 is angle formed by ACQ (C in the middle);
(4) I need to find the angle QCB (with C in the middle).

Are these correct assumptions and a correct understanding of the task?
Thank you!
 

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Vital said:

Homework Statement


Hello!
Please, help me to understand the task - I seem to fail to understand what goes where, and hence cannot proceed to solving the exercise. Please, take a look at the task, and then my questions. The task is on using the law of sines. Before trying to solve it I need to understand the exercise itself.

Homework Equations


Along a long, straight stretch of mountain road with a 7% grade, you see a tall tree standing

perfectly plumb alongside the road. From a point 500 feet downhill from the tree, the angle

of inclination from the road to the top of the tree is 6. Use the Law of Sines to find the

height of the tree. (Hint: First show that the tree makes a 94 angle with the road.)

The Attempt at a Solution


I would like to draw what's going on with this road. I am attaching a horrific picture (horrific because I draw it on the trackpad, and as it is a pure square it was not easy to draw anything), but at least it gives some idea.

Do I assume correctly that:
(1) 500 feet is the length of the horizontal leg of a right triangle, CB on the picture;
(2) then the trunk of a tree forms a vertical leg of a right triangle, AB on the picture;
(3) A is the top of the tree, so angle of inclination 6 is angle formed by ACQ (C in the middle);
(4) I need to find the angle QCB (with C in the middle).

Are these correct assumptions and a correct understanding of the task?
Thank you!
You have drawn the tree tilted over so it forms a 90 degree angle with the road. The problem says that the tree is "plumb", which means that it is vertical. Can you make a more detailed drawing showing the tree being vertical?
 
berkeman said:
You have drawn the tree tilted over so it forms a 90 degree angle with the road. The problem says that the tree is "plumb", which means that it is vertical. Can you make a more detailed drawing showing the tree being vertical?
Actually, no, the tree on my picture doesn't form a 90 degree with the road. The tree is AB. Road is CQ. And CA is the view point from the road to the top of the tree.
Is this incorrect?
 
Vital said:
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Do I assume correctly that:
(1) 500 feet is the length of the horizontal leg of a right triangle, CB on the picture;
(2) then the trunk of a tree forms a vertical leg of a right triangle, AB on the picture;
(3) A is the top of the tree, so angle of inclination 6 is angle formed by ACQ (C in the middle);
(4) I need to find the angle QCB (with C in the middle).

Are these correct assumptions and a correct understanding of the task?
Thank you!
For (1) :
It seems more likely that the 500 feet is along the road. That's CQ in your sketch.​

For (2) :
The tree trunk is AQ .​

(3) is fine.

For (4) :
If you are going to use the Law of Sines to get the tree height directly, you should consider using ∠CAQ (It's opposite the 500 foot side) and use the 6° angle, ∠ACQ.
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SammyS said:
For (1) :
It seems more likely that the 500 feet is along the road. That's CQ in your sketch.​

For (2) :
The tree trunk is AQ .​

(3) is fine.

For (4) :
If you are going to use the Law of Sines to get the tree height directly, you should consider using ∠CAQ (It's opposite the 500 foot side) and use the 6° angle, ∠ACQ.
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I see. Thank you. I will try it.
 
I am stuck. Don't see a picture.
 
Vital said:
I am stuck. Don't see a picture.
It's the picture you provided.
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AQ is the tree.

CQ is the road (length: 500 ft.).
 
SammyS said:
It's the picture you provided.
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AQ is the tree.

CQ is the road (length: 500 ft.).
Yes, yes. By saying that I don't see a picture, I was talking about a big picture, metaphorically :) Not about the one I draw :)
Do I understand correctly that if the road CQ has 7% grade, then ∠CQA cannot be 90°?
 
Vital said:
Yes, yes. By saying that I don't see a picture, I was talking about a big picture, metaphorically :) Not about the one I draw :)
Do I understand correctly that if the road CQ has 7% grade, then ∠CQA cannot be 90°?

Well, you can see that for yourself: ∠CBA = 90°, so what does that tell you?
 

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