Find the length of curve r=cos(theta)-sin(theta)

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The discussion focuses on finding the length of the curve defined by the polar equation r = cos(θ) - sin(θ) over the interval 0 ≤ θ ≤ π/4. The initial attempt used the arc length formula for parametric equations, leading to an incorrect result of π/4. The correct arc length for polar coordinates is given by the formula s = ∫(r^2 + (dr/dθ)^2)^(1/2) dθ, which simplifies the calculation to yield the correct answer of π/(2√2). The confusion arose from misapplying the arc length formula intended for parametric equations instead of the appropriate formula for polar coordinates.

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Homework Statement



Find the length of the curve r=cosΘ - sinΘ, 0≤Θ≤∏/4

Homework Equations



Arc length = ∫|v| dt

The Attempt at a Solution



I found r'(θ), then used the arc length formula.

Arc length = ∫ sqrt (sin^2 Θ + cos^2 Θ) = ∫ dΘ

and integrated it to find ∫dΘ = ∏/4

The correct answer is however ∏/(2sqrt(2)). Where did I go wrong?
 
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mill said:

Homework Statement



Find the length of the curve r=cosΘ - sinΘ, 0≤Θ≤∏/4

Homework Equations



Arc length = ∫|v| dt

The Attempt at a Solution



I found r'(θ), used the arc length formula, and integrated it to find ∫dΘ = ∏/4. The correct answer is however ∏/(2sqrt(2)). Where did I go wrong?

We can't guess unless you post your work.
 
I will guess that he is confusing a parametric (vector) equation of a curve with a polar coordinate equation of a curve.
 
LCKurtz said:
I will guess that he is confusing a parametric (vector) equation of a curve with a polar coordinate equation of a curve.

Could you possibly expand on this? I am not sure what you mean.
 
mill said:
Could you possibly expand on this? I am not sure what you mean.

There is quite a different formula for the length of a curve in polar coordinates. It is ##\displaystyle s = \int_{\theta_1}^{\theta_2}\sqrt{r^2 + {(\frac{dr}{d\theta})}^2}d\theta.## When you apply some trig identities, the problem becomes very simple.
 
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LCKurtz said:
I will guess that he is confusing a parametric (vector) equation of a curve with a polar coordinate equation of a curve.

mill said:
Could you possibly expand on this? I am not sure what you mean.

Your given equation is not a parametric equation like ##\vec r(t)=\langle x(t),y(t)\rangle## so your arc length formula doesn't apply. It is a polar coordinate equation like ##r = f(\theta)##. Look up the formula for arc length for a polar coordinate equation.
 
Thanks so much. I didn't realize there was another formula.
 

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