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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the sequence defined by the expression \(((n+3)/(n+2))^n\). Participants explore the behavior of this sequence as \(n\) approaches infinity, engaging with concepts from calculus and limits.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to analyze the limit using different methods, including L'Hôpital's rule and logarithmic transformations. Some express confusion regarding the application of these methods and the interpretation of the sequence.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various approaches to the limit. Some express differing views on the sequence's behavior, and there is a request for clarification on specific steps in the reasoning process. No consensus has been reached yet.

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There is some confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the sequence, with participants initially misidentifying the expression. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with calculus concepts such as limits and L'Hôpital's rule.

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Homework Statement


(n+3/n+2)n

Homework Equations


By highest power.

The Attempt at a Solution


highest power = 1

((n/n)+(3/n)/(n/n)+(2/n))n/n

both n/n inside the brackets cancel out. The power n/n becomes 1.

(3/n)/(2/n)

3/n * n/2

3n/2n

lim n>[tex]\infty[/tex] 3n/2n = [tex]\infty[/tex]/[tex]\infty[/tex] =1is this correct?
 
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Hai, a straightforward look into the given sequence seems like there is no limit for this sequence, because it can be reduced to n^n as n gets larger proving that there is no limit for the given sequence.
 
But there is NO "[itex]n^n[/itex]" here so that is irrelevant.

If [itex]y= ((n+2)/(n+3))^n[/itex] then [itex]ln(y)= nln((n+2)/(n+3))[/itex] and that will have the same limit, as n goes to infinity, as the limit of [itex]xln((x+2)/(x+3))[/itex] as x goes to infinity. By L'Hopital's rule, that will have the same limit as
[tex]\frac{-\frac{3}{(x+3)(x+2)}}{-\frac{1}{x^2}}= \frac{3x^2}{(x+3)(x+2)}[/tex]
which is 3. Since the limit of ln(y) is 3, the limit of y itself is [itex]e^3[/itex].
 
Hi sorry, I thought given sequence is (n+3/n+2)^n and not ((n+3)/(n+2))^n, that's why i replied it can be reduced to n^n.
So considering ((n+3)/(n+2))^n
we can write
ln y= n ln ( (n+3) / (n+2)) = ln ( (n+3) / (n+2)) /(1/n)
This gives 0/0 in RHS when n is infinite
Applying L' Hospitals rule differentiating both numerator and denaminator
we get

ln y= (-1/((n+2)(n+3)))/(-1/n^2)

So as n tends to infinity we get

ln y =1

so y= e^1= 2.7183

which is the limit of the given sequence. I have written MATLAB code also to verify its limit is 2.7183.

clear all
i=linspace(1,1000,100);
y=((i+3)./(i+2)).^i;
plot(i,y)
 
HallsofIvy said:
But there is NO "[itex]n^n[/itex]" here so that is irrelevant.

If [itex]y= ((n+2)/(n+3))^n[/itex] then [itex]ln(y)= nln((n+2)/(n+3))[/itex] and that will have the same limit, as n goes to infinity, as the limit of [itex]xln((x+2)/(x+3))[/itex] as x goes to infinity. By L'Hopital's rule, that will have the same limit as
[tex]\frac{-\frac{3}{(x+3)(x+2)}}{-\frac{1}{x^2}}= \frac{3x^2}{(x+3)(x+2)}[/tex]
which is 3. Since the limit of ln(y) is 3, the limit of y itself is [itex]e^3[/itex].


can you please explain how did you get from [itex]y= ((n+2)/(n+3))^n[/itex] to [itex]ln(y)= nln((n+2)/(n+3))[/itex]?

I know the L'Hoptial Rule is: f'(x)/g'(x)
but I don't see how can you derivatives it into [tex]\frac{-\frac{3}{(x+3)(x+2)}}{-\frac{1}{x^2}}= \frac{3x^2}{(x+3)(x+2)}[/tex]

also what do you meant by there is no x? I might have type my question from which may lead to such conclusion.
[itex]y= ((n+3)/(n+2))^n[/itex]n=1 to infinity. does this change anything?

thanks
 
Philip Wong said:
can you please explain how did you get from [itex]y= ((n+2)/(n+3))^n[/itex] to [itex]ln(y)= nln((n+2)/(n+3))[/itex]?
Take the natural log of both sides.
Philip Wong said:
I know the L'Hoptial Rule is: f'(x)/g'(x)
but I don't see how can you derivatives it into [tex]\frac{-\frac{3}{(x+3)(x+2)}}{-\frac{1}{x^2}}= \frac{3x^2}{(x+3)(x+2)}[/tex]

also what do you meant by there is no x? I might have type my question from which may lead to such conclusion.
[itex]y= ((n+3)/(n+2))^n[/itex]n=1 to infinity. does this change anything?

thanks
 

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