Find the local maxima and minima for##f(x,y) = x^3-xy-x+xy^3-y^4##

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The discussion revolves around finding local maxima and minima for the function f(x,y) = x^3 - xy - x + xy^3 - y^4. Participants are exploring the necessary conditions for extrema using partial derivatives and second derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of software tools like Wolfram Alpha to find solutions and confirm results. There is interest in understanding the steps leading to the solutions rather than just obtaining them. Some participants suggest visualizing the problem through plots to identify local minima, maxima, and inflection points.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to confirm points of interest such as local minima and inflection points. Participants are sharing links to computational tools and discussing the implications of the results, but there is no explicit consensus on the existence of global extrema.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the classification of points as saddle points or inflection points, and there is a question regarding the existence of global maxima and minima for the function.

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Homework Statement
see attached.
Relevant Equations
##\nabla f = 0##
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Ok i have,

##f_x= 3x^2-y-1+y^3##

##f_y = -x+3xy^2-4y^3##

##f_{xx} = 6x##

##f_{yy} = 6xy - 12y^2##

##f_{xy} = -1+3y^2##

looks like one needs software to solve this?

I can see the solutions from wolframalpha: local maxima to two decimal places as;

##(x,y) = (-0.67, 0.43)##

...but i am more interested in steps that lead to the given solution...
 
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chwala said:
looks like one needs software to solve this?

Indeed. See
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=3x^2+y^3-y=1+AND+4y^3=x(3y^2-1)

chwala said:
I can see the solutions from wolframalpha: local maxima to two decimal places as;

##(x,y) = (-0.67, 0.43)##

...but i am more interested in steps that lead to the given solution...

Look at the plot. This gives you an idea of how a numerical algorithm could work. Walk along the blue line until you cross the orange line and determine whether it is a local minimum, a local maximum, or an inflection point.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Indeed. See
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=3x^2+y^3-y=1+AND+4y^3=x(3y^2-1)
Look at the plot. This gives you an idea of how a numerical algorithm could work. Walk along the blue line until you cross the orange line and determine whether it is a local minimum, a local maximum, or an inflection point.
Thanks from the plot we have the point ##(-7.540, -5.595)## being an inflection point or can we say saddle point? then ##(0.471, -0.396)## being the local minimum... bringing me to the next question, do we have a global maximum and global minimum for this problem?
 
chwala said:
Thanks from the plot we have the point ##(-7.540, -5.595)## being an inflection point or can we say saddle point?
Yes.
chwala said:
then ##(0.471, -0.396)## being the local minimum... bringing me to the next question, do we have a global maximum and global minimum for this problem?
Look at the links in @anuttarasammyak 's post #3.
 
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