Find the magnitude of the child's acceleration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnitude of a child's acceleration in a mechanics problem involving forces and angles. Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, including the use of trigonometric functions and Newton's second law.

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  • Participants discuss using the tangent function and sine rule to find acceleration. Some suggest alternative methods, including Newton's second law. Questions arise regarding the direction of forces and the appropriate value for gravitational acceleration.

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There is ongoing exploration of various approaches to the problem, with some participants providing calculations and others questioning the assumptions made about the direction of forces. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of different equations, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note confusion regarding the assignment of gravitational force and its direction in the context of the problem, which may affect the interpretation of the child's weight and resultant forces.

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Homework Statement
see attached [ Question 6]
Relevant Equations
Mechanics
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In my working i have;

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For a)

##\tan 55^{\circ} = \dfrac{450}{R}##

##R = \dfrac{450}{\tan 55^{\circ} }= 315 N##

part b) no problem here ...horizontal to left.

c) This is where my real doubt is,
i have using sine rule;

##\dfrac{9.8}{sin 55^{\circ} }= \dfrac{a}{sin 35^{\circ}}##

##a = \dfrac{9.81 \sin 35^{\circ}}{\sin 55^{\circ}} = 6.86 ## m/s

There could be an alternative approach.
 
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Sure, that works, but you could just as well apply the equation for the tangent that you used in (a):
$$
a = g/\tan 55^\circ
$$
Note that
$$
\tan 55^\circ = \sin 55^\circ / \cos 55^\circ
= \sin 55^\circ / \sin(90^\circ - 55^\circ)
\sin 55^\circ / \sin 35^\circ
$$
so the result is obviously the same as what you got
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement: see attached [ Question 6]
Relevant Equations: Mechanics

View attachment 346897


In my working i have;

View attachment 346898

For a)

##\tan 55^{\circ} = \dfrac{450}{R}##

##R = \dfrac{450}{\tan 55^{\circ} }= 315 N##

part b) no problem here ...horizontal to left.

c) This is where my real doubt is,
i have using sine rule;

##\dfrac{9.8}{sin 55^{\circ} }= \dfrac{a}{sin 35^{\circ}}##

##a = \dfrac{9.81 \sin 35^{\circ}}{\sin 55^{\circ}} = 6.86 ## m/s

There could be an alternative approach.
The alternative approach may be to use Newton's second law. You know the net force, don't you?
 
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nasu said:
The alternative approach may be to use Newton's second law. You know the net force, don't you?
Correct, I have;

##F = ma##
##315 = \dfrac{450}{9.8} a##

##315 = 45.9a##

##a=\dfrac{315}{45.9} = 6.86 m/s##

The confusion on this question was on the value assigned to gravitational force. Its confusing as to whether to use ##10 m/s^2## or ##9.81 m/s^2##.

Cheers man!
 
chwala said:
##a=\dfrac{315}{45.9} = 6.86 m/s^2##
Why is the problem stating that the weight of the child acts horizontally?
 
Lnewqban said:
Why is the problem stating that the weight of the child acts horizontally?
It ... is not ...
Given that the resultant of P and the child's weight acts horizontally.
My emphasis.

This is necessary to make the problem solvable. Other types of rides, such as a simple back and forth swing, would have a different direction resultant.
 
There's alternative approach to this, will just post directly from phone and amend later, we have to
1. Resolve forces vertically,

##P_y = P \cos 35^0##

##P = 549.2 ## N


2. Resolving horizontally,
##P_x = P \sin 35^0##

##P_x = 549.3 \sin 35^0##

##P_x = 315.2 ## N
 

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