Find the number of ways the cake can be shared among two people

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The discussion revolves around combinatorial problems involving the distribution of cakes and cupcakes among individuals, specifically focusing on the constraints of odd distributions and arrangements without adjacent items.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the distribution of 12 cakes between two people, questioning the implications of odd distributions and the interpretation of the mark scheme. They discuss the number of ways cakes can be shared and the conditions under which each person receives an odd number of cakes.
  • In a second part, participants analyze the arrangement of 7 cupcakes and 4 brownies, considering constraints that prevent brownies from being adjacent. They discuss the arrangement methods and the application of permutations in this context.

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Some participants express clarity on the first part of the problem after discussing the implications of odd distributions. Others are still grappling with the arrangement of brownies and cupcakes, exploring different interpretations and potential methods without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note the constraints of the problems, such as the requirement for odd distributions and the specific arrangement conditions for the brownies. There is mention of potential variations in the questions that could alter the approach needed.

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Homework Statement
This is from an A level past paper question;

i. A plate of cake holds ##12## different cakes. Find the number of ways these cakes can be shared between Alex and James if each receives an odd number of cakes.
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I went through the question; find the mark scheme here;

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Well i can follow the mark scheme steps but i need some clarity or rather insight. The ##12## cakes are being shared to the two persons. In my understanding the odd numbers are;

##[1,3,5,7,9,11]## Now this means that they may each get ##1## cake in ##1 ×11C_1## ways or alternatively ##^{12}C_1×2##persons...

...are they not supposed to have ##2048 ×2##?

Supposing it was ##13## people instead of ##2## ...Would the steps still be the same as shown on the markscheme? A bit confusing...

your insight appreciated...
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: This is a past paper question;

A plate of cake holds ##12## different cakes. Find the number of ways these cakes can be shared between Alex and James if each receives an odd number of cakes.
Relevant Equations:: Stats

I went through the question; find the mark scheme here;

View attachment 319104

Well i can follow the mark scheme steps but i need some clarity or rather insight. The ##12## cakes are being shared to the two persons. In my understanding the odd numbers are;

##[1,3,5,7,9,11]## Now this means that they may each get ##1## cake in ##1 ×11C_1## ways or alternatively ##12C_1×2##persons...

My understanding (which is consistent with the mark scheme) is that they can't each get one cake: If Alex gets one cake then James gets the remaining 11. There are {}^{12}C_{1} = {}^{12}C_{11} = 12 ways to achieve this.
 
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pasmith said:
My understanding (which is consistent with the mark scheme) is that they can't each get one cake: If Alex gets one cake then James gets the remaining 11. There are {}^{12}C_{1} = {}^{12}C_{11} = 12 ways to achieve this.
Ok, that's clear now, maybe i was not interpreting the language correctly... :cool:

... I get it now {}^{12}C_{3} = {}^{12}C_{9} = 220 ways ...
 
This is the second part of the question; i do not seem to get it.

ii. Another plate holds ##7## cup cakes, each with a different colour icing, and ##4## Brownies, each of a different size. Find the number of different ways these ##11## cakes can be arranged in a row if no Brownie is next to another Brownie.

Find the solution here;

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In my understanding, they clamped the Brownies together i.e

1234567Brownie

Its clear to me that the ##7## cup cakes can be arranged in ##7!## ways no problem there... now when it come to the Brownies, i do not seem to understand the ##^8P_4## ways. Does the ##4## apply to Brownies only or all....

Unless the reasoning is like this;

BBBB
but each cell having the Brownie can arranged in ##4!# ways...secondly supposing we amend the question to all Brownies have to be next to each other, then how would this look like?

cheers
 
My other reasoning on this; since we do not want the brownies to be next to each other then the only possibility would be to have barriers in between i.e the cup cakes, that is;

BCBCBCBC
The cup cakes can be arranged like earlier stated in ##7!## ways...In whichever way we arrange them it does not matter as long as their sum total (cup cakes) =7.

For e.g;

B4Cup CakesBCBCBC

or

B2 Cup cakesB1 CupcakeB3 Cup cakesB1 Cupcake
Now we have ##8## elements implying that the brownies can be arranged in ##^8P_4## ways...giving us the desired; ##7! ×^8P_4=8467200## ways.

Cheers! Bingo!
 
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