Find the only value of N which satisfies all of the following

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The discussion revolves around finding a natural number N that meets a specific set of conditions, including being within a certain range, being even, and having properties related to divisibility and irrationality. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to number theory.

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  • Post 1 presents the problem and asks for help in finding the value of N that satisfies all given conditions.
  • Post 2 reiterates the problem and suggests verifying each condition for the natural numbers between 10 and 20.
  • Post 4 breaks down the conditions step by step, listing potential candidates for N based on the criteria provided.
  • Post 4 also discusses the implications of the conditions regarding evenness, divisibility by 4, and the nature of the square root.
  • Post 5 expresses confusion about the overall question despite understanding the individual parts.
  • Post 6 asserts that the question is clear and emphasizes the need to find a single value of N that meets all conditions.

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With full working, find the only value of N which satisfies ALL of the following conditions.

N is a natural number
10<N less than or equal to 20
N is even
N/4 is an integer
Square root of N is an irrational number
N is a multiple of 5

Does anyone understand this question and could work it out for me please?
 
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lmae said:
With full working, find the only value of N which satisfies ALL of the following conditions.

N is a natural number
10<N less than or equal to 20
N is even
N/4 is an integer
Square root of N is an irrational number
N is a multiple of 5

Does anyone understand this question and could work it out for me please?
Hi, lmae!

There are not many natural numbers between 10 and 20. They are 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20. For each of those numbers, verify the other conditions. For example, is 11 even? Is 12/4 an integer?

Also please read the forum http://mathhelpboards.com/rules/, especially rule #11. (Click on the "Expand" button on top.) Please describe what exactly help you need. Saying "I don't understand this question" is not informative. Saying "I don't know what irrational numbers are" is much better.
 
Hi lmae. The following was posted in the duplicate thread you posted in calculus (which I have since deleted):

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lmae said:
With full working, find the only value of N which satisfies ALL of the following conditions.
Do you understand what the words used here mean?

N is a natural number
so 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ...

10<N less than or equal to 20
So, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, or 20

N is even
So 12, 14, 16, 18, or 20

N/4 is an integer
12/4= 3, 14/4= 3 and 1/2, 16/4= 4, 18/4= 4 and 1/2, 20/4= 5
so 12, 16, or 20

Square root of N is an irrational number
square root of 12= 2 times square root of 3 so irrational. square root of 16= 4. square root of 20= 2 times square root of 5 so irrational.
So 12 or 20.

N is a multiple of 5
12= 2*2*3, 20= 2*2*5.

Does anyone understand this question and could work it out for me please?
 
Hi.

I understood each of the different parts but didn't understand what the question was asking of me as a whole, hence the way I worded the question. And I apologise for double posting my question, I did edit it to say I posted in wrong thread and wasn't sure how to delete. Thanks for the help.
 
lmae said:
I understood each of the different parts but didn't understand what the question was asking of me as a whole, hence the way I worded the question.
I think it is pretty clear: "Find the only value of N which satisfies ALL of the following conditions". I hope you understand the question now.
 

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