Find the primitives of the functions secx tanx

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In summary, Daniel was asking if he could use the mean value theorem to calculate the primitives of a function. Taryn explained that the theorem can be used to calculate the maximum and minimum change over an interval. The last problem was a simple integration by parts.
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hey just wondering if someone could help me with these 2 questions!

Suppose for a function f, that 1<= f'(x)<=3 show that

I don't even no where to start... I was thinkin that in some way you could use the mean value theorem!
f(c)= [f(6)-f(2)]/4

But I wouldn't have a clue where to go from there

2. Find the primitives of the functions

so I sed that u=secx and that du=secxtanx
So does this mean that the answer will just be equal to one?

The last one is just hard in the fact that I am unsure of wat u should be equal to...

integral x^6lnx(dx)
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This problem is actually relatively simple, you're probably just overanalyzing it.

First, let's assume f(2) = 0. Since 1<=f'(x)<=3 for all x then the maximum change over the interval 2 to 6 is M*dx where M is the maximum value of the derivative of the function and dx is the change in x, in this case (6-2) or 4. So, the maximum difference between f(6) and f(2) is 12. If we analyze the minimum difference in the same way using the minimum value of the derivative, we arrive at 4. Therefore, the difference in the values of f(2) and f(6) must be between 4 and 12.

The second one is also simple, secx*tanx just happens to be the derivative of secx.

The last one is a simple integration by parts. Let x^6 = dv and ln(x)dx = u.

==> Integral(x^6*ln(x) dx) = uv - Integral(v*du) -- Integral(x^6*ln(x) dx) = ln(x)*(x^7)/7 - Integral(x^6/7 dx)

Or -- ln(x)*x^7/7 - x^7/49
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2. [tex] \int \sec x \tan x \; dx = \sec x + C [/tex]
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yeah I kinda get that... little bit confusing in some ways... y is it that u can just assume that f(2)=0... I get how u get the answers 4 and 12 from there then!
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qu 2 yeah whoops that's wat I meant... I don't know y I sed it was equal to one!
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Well it doesn't matter what initial value we choose for f(2) since the change of the function over a given interval is bounded by the definition of the derivative given in the problem. I could have chosen 9,042 and I still would have gotten f(6) at max is 9,054 and at minimum 9,046. Reread my original post very carefully and think about how differentials work and it should become pretty clear what I'm saying.
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cool thanks... so its just easier to choose f(2)=0!
Thanks agen!
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any suggestions for part 3... I know u need to integrate by parts... any pointers would be greatly appreciated
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Taryn, for your last problem:

[tex] \int x^6 \ln x dx [/tex]

Let [tex]u = \ln x[/tex] and let [tex]dv = x^6 dx[/tex]. It follows from there that: [tex]du = \frac{dx}{x}[/tex] and that [tex]v = \frac{x^7}{7}[/tex].

It's all integration by parts from there:

[tex] \int u dv = uv - \int v du[/tex]
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For the first problem just integrate all 3 terms of the initial double inequality between 2 and 6.

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yeah okay wat I also did was letting u=x^7, du=7x^6 which is du/7=x^6
Then I got int 1/7(lnu^1/7)du
Then I used log laws and so I then had 1/49 int (lnu)(du)
I ended up gettin the answer (x^7lnx)/7 - (x^7)/49 + C
Is this rite?
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Thats cool anyhow I know I did... checked it using your way! Thanks for your time!

1. What is meant by "primitives" in this context?

Primitives refer to the original function from which a given function is derived. In this case, we are looking for the original function whose derivative is secx tanx.

2. How do I find the primitives of secx tanx?

To find the primitives of secx tanx, you can use the substitution method or integration by parts. Both methods involve manipulating the given function to simplify it into a form that can be easily integrated.

3. What is the formula for secx tanx?

The formula for secx tanx is secx * tanx = sinx.

4. Do I need to know any trigonometric identities to find the primitives of secx tanx?

Yes, you will need to know the trigonometric identity sinx/cosx = tanx to solve for the primitives of secx tanx.

5. Are there any special cases when finding the primitives of secx tanx?

Yes, there are special cases where the substitution method may not work and integration by parts is needed. These cases include when the power of secx is odd or when the trigonometric function is raised to a power.

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