Find the Principal Axes of the Section Shown

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The discussion focuses on determining the principal axes of a given section using centroid equations and second moments of area. The professor provided a solution for the product of inertia, Iyz, which is calculated as -1.188×106 mm4. The main challenge discussed is identifying the signs of y1, z1, y2, and z2 in the Iyz equation. A tabular calculation method is recommended to simplify the process of calculating inertia for each leg of the angle section and transferring it to the centroid.

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Homework Statement


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Statement: Find the principal axes of the section shown:
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The origin is on the top left corner.

Homework Equations


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Centroid equations:
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Second moments of area:
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Mohr's Circle for I equations:
Coordinates
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Centre
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Angle from principal axes:
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The Attempt at a Solution


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Finding the centroids:
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Finding Iy, Iz, and Iyz (Finding Iyz is where I'm having some difficulties):
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gohBb4z.png


THE PROFESSOR-PROVIDED SOLUTION FOR Iyz (I don't know how to determine whether or not y1, z1, y2, z2 are positive or negative) (My prof's answer was Iyz = -1.188×106mm4) Here is his provided solution:
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I know where his values come from, I just need a surefire trick on determining the sign of y1, z1, y2, z2.

Mohr's Circle for I (I know I'm missing the axis labels. x-axis is Is, y-axis is Ist) Each point is multiplied by 10-6:
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Centre:
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Angle of Principal axes:
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TL;DR Need a trick on determining the sign of y1, z1, y2, z2 from the Iyz equation.
 
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The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
Finding the centroids:
WRcThjc.png


Finding Iy, Iz, and Iyz (Finding Iyz is where I'm having some difficulties):
cE8n6Ca.png


gohBb4z.png


THE PROFESSOR-PROVIDED SOLUTION FOR Iyz (I don't know how to determine whether or not y1, z1, y2, z2 are positive or negative) (My prof's answer was Iyz = -1.188×106mm4) Here is his provided solution:
9o4ouXM.png

I know where his values come from, I just need a surefire trick on determining the sign of y1, z1, y2, z2.

Need a trick on determining the sign of y1, z1, y2, z2 from the Iyz equation.

All of this laborious calculation can be replaced by a simple tabular form calculation as attached in CrossProduct.pdf below.

Your calculation of Iy and Iz values for the angle section is slightly incorrect. You must calculate the inertia for each leg of the angle about its own centroid and then transfer it to the y-axis or z-axis, before you transfer the inertia back to the centroid of the angle as a whole.

The cross product of inertia of each piece of the angle is zero about its own centroidal axes. The tabular form first calculates the Ayz transfer values for each piece to obtain the inertia about the y-z axes. Then, the centroidal location for the angle and the Iyz about the centroid are calculated below the table.

You don't need to worry about learning any tricks or memorizing what is positive and what is negative for the y-bar and z-bar values. :wink:
 

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