Find the radius of the circle for this airplane

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the radius of a circular path for an airplane in flight, involving concepts from dynamics and circular motion. The original poster presents their approach using equations related to forces and motion, specifically focusing on the effects of bank angle on the radius.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the radius using force equations but expresses confusion over their results. Some participants suggest performing sanity checks on the derived formula, particularly regarding the implications of small bank angles. Others question the consistency of the angle definition and its impact on the normal force.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's approach, offering insights and prompting further examination of the assumptions made in the calculations. There is a recognition of potential errors in the algebraic manipulation, and some guidance has been provided regarding the relationships between lift, weight, and the radius of the circular path.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of specific values for velocity and bank angle, as well as the need to clarify the definitions of the angles used in the problem setup. The original poster is reviewing material in preparation for a test, indicating a time constraint that may affect their analysis.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


f=ma
v^2/r

The Attempt at a Solution


Σfx = FNcos(θ) = (v^2/r)*m
Σfy = FNsin(θ) - mg = 0
FN = mg/sin(θ)
(mg/sin(θ))*cos(θ) = (v^2/r)*m
gcos(θ)*r = v^2*sin(θ)
r = v^2sin(θ)/gcos(θ) v = 150m/s θ = 38
r = 1793m
i have already solved this one a while ago and am reviewing for test tommorow and getting a bullocks answer that is not correct what on Earth am i doing wrong here?
 

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Try a sanity check of your final formula. For very tiny bank angle, you get r nearly 0 because of the sin(theta). You should get r very large. What does that tell you?
 
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FactChecker said:
Try a sanity check of your final formula. For very tiny bank angle, you get r nearly 0 because of the sin(theta). You should get r very large. What does that tell you?
ok i just used cotangent and got the correct answer.. i am not seeing what i did wrong algabraicly let me look back thank you
 
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i do not see what i did wrong algabraically
 
isukatphysics69 said:
Theta from the OP is the angle the wings make with the horizontal. Have you drawn it consistently with that definition? When theta equals zero (that is, when the plane is horizontal) are you saying the normal force will be horizontal too? (That’s what your picture shows.)
 
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The force that drives an airplane in a curved path is the component of lift directed toward the center of the path, L sin θ, where θ is the bank angle. So L sin θ = m v^2/r. If the airplane is flying in a horizontal path, that also means the vertical component of lift equals the weight, L cos θ = mg..And of course L = CL q S, where CL= lift coefficient, q=dynamic pressure, S=wing area.
 
If you solve the vertical equation for the lift and substitute it into the radial equation and solve for the radius, you will find the tangent function in the denominator not the numerator.
 
@isukatphysics69 Hi, can you explain where did you put the cotangent in your formula?
 
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See #7 & #8.
 

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