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Ball sliding on 3d-inclined plane

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Homework Statement



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A solid ball rolls perfectly with initial velocity v0 in horizontal axis ( y-axis ) on an inclined plane with elevation angle Θ as the picture above shown. This ball moves turning due to the gravitational acceleration till it has traveled distance L in x axis when it's at the bottom of the plane.
Determine the time (t) the ball needs to get to the bottom of the plane ! (The ball doesn't slip while rolling)

Homework Equations


Rotational dynamics equation and linear kinematics equation
Or conservation of energy equation

The Attempt at a Solution



I have two methods to solve the problem. But, the answers are different.

Using rot. dynamics equation and linear kinematics.
I just consider the x-axis since it's what the question asks.
ΣFx = ma
mg sin Θ - f = ma (Note : f is friction force)
f = mg sin Θ - ma

Στ = I α
f R = I α
f R = I (a/R)
(mg sin Θ - ma) R = (2/5) m R^2 (a/R)
mg sin Θ - ma = (2/5) m a
g sin Θ - a = (2/5) a
(7/5) a = g sin Θ
a = (5/7) g sin Θ

Then, I use the kinematics equation
L = 0.5 a t^2
2L/a = t^2
14L/ (5g sin Θ) = t^2
t = √(14L/5g sinΘ)

But, using conservation of energy, I get different answer
m g sin Θ L = (1/2) m v^2 + (1/2) I ω^2
m g sin Θ L = (1/2) m v^2 + (1/2) (2/5 m R^2) (v^2 / R^2)
g sin Θ L = (1/2) v^2 + (1/5) m v^2
g sin Θ L = (7/10) v^2
v = √(10 g sin Θ L / 7 )

Then, I use the kinematics
vt = vox + a t
√(10 g sin Θ L / 7 ) = 0 + g sin Θ t
t = √(10L/7g sin Θ)


Which one is correct? Why?
 
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Homework Statement



http://www.sumoware.com/images/temp/xzdmdjtlksnfhiqc.png [Broken]
A solid ball rolls perfectly with initial velocity v0 in horizontal axis ( y-axis ) on an inclined plane with elevation angle Θ as the picture above shown. This ball moves turning due to the gravitational acceleration till it has traveled distance L in x axis when it's at the bottom of the plane.
Determine the time (t) the ball needs to get to the bottom of the plane ! (The ball doesn't slip while rolling)

Homework Equations


Rotational dynamics equation and linear kinematics equation
Or conservation of energy equation

The Attempt at a Solution



I have two methods to solve the problem. But, the answers are different.

Using rot. dynamics equation and linear kinematics.
I just consider the x-axis since it's what the question asks.
ΣFx = ma
mg sin Θ - f = ma (Note : f is friction force)
f = mg sin Θ - ma

Στ = I α
f R = I α
f R = I (a/R)
(mg sin Θ - ma) R = (2/5) m R^2 (a/R)
mg sin Θ - ma = (2/5) m a
g sin Θ - a = (2/5) a
(7/5) a = g sin Θ
a = (5/7) g sin Θ

Then, I use the kinematics equation
L = 0.5 a t^2
2L/a = t^2
14L/ (5g sin Θ) = t^2
t = √(14L/5g sinΘ)

But, using conservation of energy, I get different answer
m g sin Θ L = (1/2) m v^2 + (1/2) I ω^2
m g sin Θ L = (1/2) m v^2 + (1/2) (2/5 m R^2) (v^2 / R^2)
g sin Θ L = (1/2) v^2 + (1/5) m v^2
g sin Θ L = (7/10) v^2
v = √(10 g sin Θ L / 7 )

Then, I use the kinematics
vt = vox + a t
√(10 g sin Θ L / 7 ) = 0 + g sin Θ t
t = √(10L/7g sin Θ)


Which one is correct? Why?
Oops.. I think that I forgot that the acceleration is not g sin theta since there is friction.. ( I used a = g sin theta in using the kinematics )
Problem Solved :)
 
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