Find the radius of the middle circle

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The problem involves three circles that are tangent to two lines and to each other, with given radii for the largest and smallest circles. The task is to determine the radius of the middle circle based on the relationships between the circles and the lines.

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  • Participants discuss using similar triangles and ratios to establish relationships between the circles' radii. There are attempts to derive equations based on geometric properties and angles formed by the tangents.

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Some participants have provided guidance on setting up equations based on the geometry of the circles. Multiple approaches are being explored, including using similar triangles and trigonometric relationships. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of reasoning have been shared.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for multiple methods to arrive at the solution. The discussion includes references to specific geometric relationships and ratios that may not be immediately apparent.

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Homework Statement



There are 3 circles, each tangent to 2 lines and to each other (as in the picture). The radius of the right (largest) circle is 8, and the radius of the left (smallest) circle is 4. What is the radius of the middle circle?


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I tried using similar triangles to solve the problem, using the right triangles formed by the bottom line, the radii of the circles, and the angle bisector (which goes through the centers of all of the circles). However, I could not find any relation that would give me an equation to find x. I also tried to somehow calculate the angle between the two lines, but that got really complicated. I am not sure what other method I could use to solve this, and any help would be appreciated.
 

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Can you show us? From the graph, we can at least see three equal ratios. Let the distance from the vertex to the first circle be y. Working on from there get the three equal ratios from which you should be able to get two equations. You can always eliminate y and solve for x.
 
Using similar triangles should get you the answer (hint: you have to solve two equations with two unknowns).
 
Ok I think I got it now. Using y as the distance from the vertex to the center of the first circle, I got y/4 = (4+x)/x and y-8-x = 4+x. From the second equation I got y=2x+12, and plugging that into the first equation I found that x=4*sqrt(2). I guess I just didn't see that when I first tried to solve it. Thank you!

In the meantime I think I solved it another way, although it is much more complex. After quite a bit of work I found that the angle between the two tangent lines for tangential circles of radii a and b (with b>a) is 2*arcsin((b-a)/(a+b)). I did this for each pair of circles (b=8, a=x and b=x, a=4) and set them equal to each other, giving 2*arcsin((8-x)/(8+x))=2*arcsin((x-4)/(x+4)), which led to the proportion (8-x)/(8+x)=(x-4)/(x+4). When I solved that I got x=4*sqrt(2), the same answer as above. It was a lot more work than the similar triangles method, but it worked. Also, I thought it was interesting that the radius of the middle circle is always the geometric mean of the radii of the two outer circles. (x=4*sqrt(2)=sqrt(32)=sqrt(4*8))
 
You can do it directly with the right triangles indicated on the figure I modified using your figure.
The hypotenuse of the red triangle is x+4, its vertical leg is x‒4 .
The hypotenuse of the blue triangle is x+8, its vertical leg is 8‒x .
 

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