Find the tension in the wire from this mass hanging at an angle

[besi]

Homework Statement

Construction is in balance. The weight of the hanging body is 6 kg. The angle created between the wire and the wall is 30 degrees.

Relevant Equations

Find the thread tension in the construction shown in the figure.

I do not understand how this type of exercise is solved because I have not had a solution to such an example. I would ask you to show me the solution of this exercise step by step, so that I understand how to solve it. I appreciate your help. Thank you.

 

[Steve4Physics]

Homework Statement:: Construction is in balance. The weight of the hanging body is 6 kg. The angle created between the wire and the wall is 30 degrees.
Relevant Equations:: Find the thread tension in the construction shown in the figure.

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I do not understand how this type of exercise is solved because I have not had a solution to such an example. I would ask you to show me the solution of this exercise step by step, so that I understand how to solve it. I appreciate your help. Thank you.

Hi besi. The forum rules require you to make some sort of attempt first. Take a look:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/homework-help-guidelines-for-students-and-helpers.686781/

Please note, you say “The angle created between the wire and the wall is 30 degrees”. But your diagram indicates this angle is 90º – 20º = 70º. So something is wrong!

The simplest method requires you to know how to resolve a vector into components If you don’t know how to do this already, you could try this video (sorry about the self-promotion!):
Then maybe you can make an attempt at the problem.

 

[besi]

Hi besi. The forum rules require you to make some sort of attempt first. Take a look:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/homework-help-guidelines-for-students-and-helpers.686781/

Please note, you say “The angle created between the wire and the wall is 30 degrees”. But your diagram indicates this angle is 90º – 20º = 70º. So something is wrong!

The simplest method requires you to know how to resolve a vector into components If you don’t know how to do this already, you could try this video (sorry about the self-promotion!):
Then maybe you can make an attempt at the problem.

THANK YOU!

 

[hannah13]

THANK YOU!

Besi hi! Can u show me how did u solved this example please ?

 

[haruspex]

Besi hi! Can u show me how did u solved this example please ?

Hi Hannah,
Besi might not be watching this thread any more.
Since the forum rules say anyone seeking assistance needs to show their own effort first, I suggest you do so in a new thread.

 

[hannah13]

Hi Hannah,
Besi might not be watching this thread any more.
Since the forum rules say anyone seeking assistance needs to show their own effort first, I suggest you do so in a new thread.

Hello! My physics professor gave us this kind of exercise but i couldn’t solve it. Please who can help me solve it. Construction is in balance. The weight of the hanging body is 6 kg. The angle is 20°

 

[Dr.D]

Hannah, much depends upon how the beam is attached to the wall. Is it embedded in the wall, or is it pivoted at the wall?

Do you know how to draw a free body diagram (FBD)?

 

[hannah13]

Hannah, much depends upon how the beam is attached to the wall. Is it embedded in the wall, or is it pivoted at the wall?

Do you know how to draw a free body diagram (FBD)?

I think is embedded in the wall. Not sure but it’s exactly like the besi’s type of exercise

 

[haruspex]

I think is embedded in the wall. Not sure but it’s exactly like the besi’s type of exercise

Yes, it is exactly the same, even in that it is not made clear whether the joint at the wall

• is rigid, in which case we must assume the string is free to slide over the other end of the beam in order to be able to solve it, or
• is a pivot, in which case the string must be tied to the end of the beam or it would collapse

In each diagram, it looks rigid, so let's go with that. So the string is free to slide.
Consider the forces acting along the string as it goes around the end of the beam. Since it does not slide, what can you deduce?

 

[hannah13]

Yes, it is exactly the same, even in that it is not made clear whether the joint at the wall

• is rigid, in which case we must assume the string is free to slide over the other end of the beam in order to be able to solve it, or
• is a pivot, in which case the string must be tied to the end of the beam or it would collapse

In each diagram, it looks rigid, so let's go with that. So the string is free to slide.
Consider the forces acting along the string as it goes around the end of the beam. Since it does not slide, what can you deduce?

I think T might be cos20°+d but I’m not sure. I really need the answer of this exercise. Do u know it? Please

 

[haruspex]

I think T might be cos20°+d but I’m not sure. I really need the answer of this exercise. Do u know it? Please

As I mentioned, forum rules require you to show more effort.
Why do you think it might be cos20°+d, and what is d?
Oh, I should have mentioned two more things.

1. With the rigid joint assumption you will also need to assume the edge of the beam where the string slides is smooth.
2. Although I have recommended to go with the rigid joint assumption based on the drawings, in every other problem like this I have ever seen posted on this forum, the string is tied to the end of the beam and the beam is pivoted at the wall. Should I trust these drawings? They are not from the teacher.

 

[hannah13]

As I mentioned, forum rules require you to show more effort.
Why do you think it might be cos20°+d, and what is d?
Oh, I should have mentioned two more things.

1. With the rigid joint assumption you will also need to assume the edge of the beam where the string slides is smooth.
2. Although I have recommended to go with the rigid joint assumption based on the drawings, in every other problem like this I have ever seen posted on this forum, the string is tied to the end of the beam and the beam is pivoted at the wall. Should I trust these drawings? They are not from the teacher.

d is the 4 m. The drawings are from the teacher but the problem is that I can’t solve it . Also I can I show more effort?

 

[haruspex]

d is the 4 m. The drawings are from the teacher

Ok, we'll stick with the rigid joint then.
As I wrote, take the end of the beam the string slides over as smooth. So you can think of it as a pulley.
Do you know how to take moments about an axis?

 

[hannah13]

Ok, we'll stick with the rigid joint then.
As I wrote, take the end of the beam the string slides over as smooth. So you can think of it as a pulley.
Do you know how to take moments about an axis?

Yes I know how to take moments about an axis but not on this type of exercise. I don’t know , I’m really confused because calculate the forces

 

[hannah13]

Yes I know how to take moments about an axis but not on this type of exercise. I don’t know , I’m really confused because calculate the forces

I can’t calculate the forces *

 

[haruspex]

Yes I know how to take moments about an axis but not on this type of exercise. I don’t know , I’m really confused because calculate the forces

As I wrote, you can think of the string as running over a pulley at the end of the beam.
There are two tensions in the string, T pulling anticlockwise and the weight pulling clockwise. The 'pulley' doesn’t spin. What does that tell you?

 

[hannah13]

As I wrote, you can think of the string as running over a pulley at the end of the beam.
There are two tensions in the string, T pulling anticlockwise and the weight pulling clockwise. The 'pulley' doesn’t spin. What does that tell you?

This means that the construction is in balance. T + P = 0
P = mg
that's all i can do

 

[haruspex]

This means that the construction is in balance. T + P = 0
P = mg
that's all i can do

You are very close.
The sum of the moments is zero, but they act in opposite directions. So what equation relates the tensions?

 

[hannah13]

You are very close.
The sum of the moments is zero, but they act in opposite directions. So what equation relates the tensions?

I think I would be T= 60N + 4*sin30°
I don’t know if it’s right , so please can u tell me the answer if u know it .

 

[haruspex]

I think I would be T= 60N + 4*sin30°

That makes no sense. 4m sin 30 would be a distance. You cannot add a distance to a force.
As I posted, you were very close before. Please don't go off in some other direction.
The two torques balance, but your equation in post #17 would make one of the tensions negative.
The tensions are both positive. They balance because they act in opposite directions around the 'pulley'. So what should your equation be?

 

[hannah13]

That makes no sense. 4m sin 30 would be a distance. You cannot add a distance to a force.
As I posted, you were very close before. Please don't go off in some other direction.
The two torques balance, but your equation in post #17 would make one of the tensions negative.
The tensions are both positive. They balance because they act in opposite directions around the 'pulley'. So what should your equation be?

Is T= -P or something ?

 

[haruspex]

Is T= -P or something ?

No, that's what you wrote before, as T+P=0.
That equation would make one positive and the other negative.
The two tensions are pulling in opposite directions around the end of the beam, and balance, so each is, as a tension, positive. What tiny change do you need to make?

 

[hannah13]

No, that's what you wrote before, as T+P=0.
That equation would make one positive and the other negative.
The two tensions are pulling in opposite directions around the end of the beam, and balance, so each is, as a tension, positive. What tiny change do you need to make?

I don’t know. I tried over and over but i still can’t do it. Can u help me pls . Seems like u know the answer. I would be happy if u tell me what’s the answer.

 

[berkeman]

I don’t know. I tried over and over but i still can’t do it. Can u help me pls . Seems like u know the answer. I would be happy if u tell me what’s the answer.

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