Find the total electrostatic energy stored in the configuration

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total electrostatic energy stored in a configuration involving a spherical conductor of radius a carrying a charge q and a jelly with a constant charge density ρ extending from radius a to b. The electric field E is derived using Gauss's law, leading to the expression for energy U given by U = (ε0/2) ∫ E² d³r. Participants confirm the setup of integrals and discuss the complexity of the calculations, noting that alternative methods may not simplify the process significantly.

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Homework Statement


A spherical conductor of radius ##a## carries a charge ##q## and also there is a jelly of constant charge density ##\rho## per unit volume extending from radius a out to radius ##b##. Find the electrostatic energy stored in the configuration.

Homework Equations


##\oint \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{a}=\frac{Q_{enc}}{\epsilon_0}##
##U=\frac{\epsilon_0}{2}\int E^2 d^3r##

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]We first find the electric field.
##\oint \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{a}=4\pi r^2##
##Q_{enc}=\int_a^r 4\pi r'^2 \rho dr'+q=\frac{4\pi}{3}(r^3-a^3)\rho+q##
So then,
##E=\begin{cases}
0, r<a& \\\
\rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0}+ \frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0} \hat{r}, a<r<b\\
\rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0} +\frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0} \hat{r}, b\le r
\end{cases}##
Then
##E^2=\begin{cases}
0, r<a& \\\
\rho^2 \frac{(r^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2}, a<r<b\\
\rho^2 \frac{(b^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2}, b\le r
\end{cases}##
Now,
##U=\frac{\epsilon_0}{2} \int_a^b (\rho^2 \frac{(r^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2})4 \pi r^2dr+\frac{\epsilon_0}{2} \int_b^\infty (\rho^2 \frac{(b^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2}) 4 \pi r^2dr##

So far, have I done everything correctly?
 
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No, your expression for the electric field is non-sensical. It should be
$$\vec{E}=\begin{cases}
0 & r<a \\
\left[\rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0}+ \frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & a<r<b \\
\left[\rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0} +\frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & b\le r
\end{cases}.$$ The way you wrote it, ##\hat{r}## only multiplies the last term, and you'd be adding a scalar to a vector, which doesn't make sense.
 
vela said:
No, your expression for the electric field is non-sensical. It should be
$$\vec{E}=\begin{cases}
0 & r<a \\
\left[\rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0}+ \frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & a<r<b \\
\left[\rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0} +\frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & b\le r
\end{cases}.$$ The way you wrote it, ##\hat{r}## only multiplies the last term, and you'd be adding a scalar to a vector, which doesn't make sense.
Yeah I forgot about the parentheses. Have I done everything else right?
 
can i get some help?
 
ghostfolk said:
So far, have I done everything correctly?
Yes, it looks like you're doing okay setting up the integrals.
 
gneill said:
Yes, it looks like you're doing okay setting up the integrals.
Do you think there could've been an easier method? I know there's the other equation ##U=\int \rho V d^3r##, but I felt that it would be just as tedious being that I would still need to find the electric field to get ##V##.
 
ghostfolk said:
Do you think there could've been an easier method? I know there's the other equation ##U=\int \rho V d^3r##, but I felt that it would be just as tedious being that I would still need to find the electric field to get ##V##.
I don't think you'll be able to avoid messy integrals either way.
 

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