Find the total electrostatic energy stored in the configuration

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The problem involves calculating the total electrostatic energy stored in a configuration consisting of a spherical conductor with a charge and a surrounding jelly with a constant charge density. The discussion centers around the electric field and energy equations relevant to electrostatics.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the expression for the electric field and its implications, with some questioning the correctness of the original poster's formulation. There are attempts to clarify the vector nature of the electric field and its components. Additionally, there are inquiries about the setup of integrals for calculating energy and considerations of alternative methods.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the electric field expression, indicating that the original formulation may have issues. There is acknowledgment that the setup of integrals appears to be on the right track, but questions remain about the complexity of the calculations and potential alternative approaches.

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Participants are navigating the intricacies of electrostatic energy calculations, with specific attention to the assumptions made about the electric field and the integration process. The discussion reflects a mix of verification and exploration of different methods without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

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Homework Statement


A spherical conductor of radius ##a## carries a charge ##q## and also there is a jelly of constant charge density ##\rho## per unit volume extending from radius a out to radius ##b##. Find the electrostatic energy stored in the configuration.

Homework Equations


##\oint \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{a}=\frac{Q_{enc}}{\epsilon_0}##
##U=\frac{\epsilon_0}{2}\int E^2 d^3r##

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]We first find the electric field.
##\oint \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{a}=4\pi r^2##
##Q_{enc}=\int_a^r 4\pi r'^2 \rho dr'+q=\frac{4\pi}{3}(r^3-a^3)\rho+q##
So then,
##E=\begin{cases}
0, r<a& \\\
\rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0}+ \frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0} \hat{r}, a<r<b\\
\rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0} +\frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0} \hat{r}, b\le r
\end{cases}##
Then
##E^2=\begin{cases}
0, r<a& \\\
\rho^2 \frac{(r^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2}, a<r<b\\
\rho^2 \frac{(b^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2}, b\le r
\end{cases}##
Now,
##U=\frac{\epsilon_0}{2} \int_a^b (\rho^2 \frac{(r^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2})4 \pi r^2dr+\frac{\epsilon_0}{2} \int_b^\infty (\rho^2 \frac{(b^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2}) 4 \pi r^2dr##

So far, have I done everything correctly?
 
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No, your expression for the electric field is non-sensical. It should be
$$\vec{E}=\begin{cases}
0 & r<a \\
\left[\rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0}+ \frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & a<r<b \\
\left[\rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0} +\frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & b\le r
\end{cases}.$$ The way you wrote it, ##\hat{r}## only multiplies the last term, and you'd be adding a scalar to a vector, which doesn't make sense.
 
vela said:
No, your expression for the electric field is non-sensical. It should be
$$\vec{E}=\begin{cases}
0 & r<a \\
\left[\rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0}+ \frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & a<r<b \\
\left[\rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0} +\frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & b\le r
\end{cases}.$$ The way you wrote it, ##\hat{r}## only multiplies the last term, and you'd be adding a scalar to a vector, which doesn't make sense.
Yeah I forgot about the parentheses. Have I done everything else right?
 
can i get some help?
 
ghostfolk said:
So far, have I done everything correctly?
Yes, it looks like you're doing okay setting up the integrals.
 
gneill said:
Yes, it looks like you're doing okay setting up the integrals.
Do you think there could've been an easier method? I know there's the other equation ##U=\int \rho V d^3r##, but I felt that it would be just as tedious being that I would still need to find the electric field to get ##V##.
 
ghostfolk said:
Do you think there could've been an easier method? I know there's the other equation ##U=\int \rho V d^3r##, but I felt that it would be just as tedious being that I would still need to find the electric field to get ##V##.
I don't think you'll be able to avoid messy integrals either way.
 

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