Find time at which position vector points towards origin

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The problem involves determining the time at which a position vector of a particle, defined as R=(1-t^2)i+(3t-5t^2)j, points towards or away from the origin. The context is rooted in vector analysis and motion in a two-dimensional plane.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the meaning of the position vector pointing towards or away from the origin, discussing the relationship between the position and velocity vectors. There are attempts to clarify how to express velocity in relation to the position vector and what conditions must be met for the particle's motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical relationships between the vectors. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions for the velocity vector in relation to the position vector, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve quadratic equations and that the solutions for time may not yield whole numbers. There is also mention of needing to satisfy both components of the vector simultaneously, which adds complexity to the problem.

  • #31
Taniaz said:
I understand what you're saying but isn't this a little too complicated for a 1 mark A'Level question?
RUber said:
You are looking for one t that satisfies both the i and j components at the same time.
Let v = cR, where c is any non-zero constant. If c is negative then the velocity is pointing toward the origin. When c is positive, the velocity is pointing away from the origin.
##\vec v = c \vec R## means that vx=c Rx and vy =c Ry. Dividing the first equation with the second one, vx/vy=Rx/Ry . Substitute the expressions in terms of t,
\frac{1-t^2}{3t-5t^2}=\frac{-2t}{3-10t}
and solve for t. You get two solutions. One of them means a positive c , the other solution means a negative one.
 
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  • #32
Thank you RUber, Haruspex and ehild for your help! Much appreciated! :)
 
  • #33
Taniaz said:
Thank you RUber, Haruspex and ehild for your help! Much appreciated! :)
If you are familiar with cross products, another route is to note that the collinearity of the position and velocity vectors means their cross product is zero. This avoids bringing in c and gives you an equation in t only (though it might be nasty). Having extracted the possible values of t, you could then evaluate the two vectors at those times to find out which has velocity towards the origin and which away.
 
  • #34
So I got that t= 1/3 and t = 3
At t=3, c = 3/4 and at t=1/3, c = -3/4
So at t=1/3 it's pointing towards the origin.
 
  • #35
Taniaz said:
So I got that t= 1/3 and t = 3
At t=3, c = 3/4 and at t=1/3, c = -3/4
So at t=1/3 it's pointing towards the origin.
Looks right.
 

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