Find time taken by a pendulum to swing by 90degrees

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The discussion revolves around a pendulum system where a small ball is attached to a massless rod, which swings from a horizontal to a vertical position. The problem involves determining the time taken for this motion, with parameters including the length of the rod, gravitational acceleration, and the mass of the ball, while assuming frictionless surfaces.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the tangential acceleration of the ball and its relation to angular acceleration. There are attempts to derive a differential equation for the motion, with some participants questioning how to solve it. Suggestions include integrating to find angular velocity and relating it back to time.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different mathematical approaches to solve the derived differential equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding integration techniques, but there is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in obtaining a solution.

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Participants note the challenge of finding a closed form solution for the specific case of a 90-degree amplitude, indicating potential constraints in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A small ball is attached to a massless rod at one end. The other end is hinged such that the rod can swing freely in the vertical plane.
Find the time taken by this system to rotate from horizontal position to vertical position.
Length of rod = L
Acceleration due to gravity = g
mass of ball = m
All surfaces are frictionless.

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Tangential acceleration of ball is gcosθ where θ is angle the rod makes with horizontal
Tangential acceleration is equal to Lα where α is rate of change of angular speed
So i have Lα=gcosθ
I am unable to proceed further. what do i do?
 
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Firstly write the expression for angular acceleration and then try to find angular velocity by integration.
 
Sunil Simha said:
Firstly write the expression for angular acceleration and then try to find angular velocity by integration.

I have obtained a differential equation d2θ/dt2 = (g/L)cosθ
How do i solve this?
 
vikvaryas said:
I have obtained a differential equation d2θ/dt2 = (g/L)cosθ
How do i solve this?

Write it as dω/dt. But dω/dt can also be written as (dω/dθ)*(dθ/dt) or ω*dω/dθ. So now integrate and you'll obtain ω in terms of θ.

Once you get that, ω can be written as dθ/dt and if you integrate the expression relating ω and θ, you can relate θ and t.
 
Sunil Simha said:
Write it as dω/dt. But dω/dt can also be written as (dω/dθ)*(dθ/dt) or ω*dω/dθ. So now integrate and you'll obtain ω in terms of θ.

Once you get that, ω can be written as dθ/dt and if you integrate the expression relating ω and θ, you can relate θ and t.
Easily said, but you end up with a very nasty integral. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_(mathematics)#Arbitrary-amplitude_period . One might hope that there is a closed form solution for the specific case of a 90 degree amplitude, but I'm not aware of such.
 
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