Rod swinging and hitting a ball

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a uniform rod and a ball during a collision. The rod is released from a 45-degree angle, and the goal is to determine the angular velocity of the rod and the ball's speeds post-collision. Participants highlight the importance of considering both angular momentum and energy conservation, while also addressing the effects of friction and hinge impulses during the impact. There is a debate about the applicability of the coefficient of restitution in this scenario, with some arguing it may not directly apply due to the complexities of the collision. The conversation emphasizes the need for careful analysis of the forces and motions involved to accurately solve the problem.
  • #31
erfz said:
@haruspex
I'm thinking now, would it be possible to set your axis on the table that the ball sits on and treat the rod and ball as a single system?
This would eliminate frictional torque, I think.
Do you see anything wrong with that?
But then you would have torque from the unknown reaction at the rod's hinge.
You can take anywhere as your reference points for angular momentum, but if that means dragging in the reaction force from the hinge or the friction from the table then you will need to bring in a linear momentum equation as well in order to eliminate the unknown. The great benefit of using the rod's axis for its equation and the point of contact of the ball with the table for its equation is that we never get those impulses in the equations.
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
But then you would have torque from the unknown reaction at the rod's hinge.
You can take anywhere as your reference points for angular momentum, but if that means dragging in the reaction force from the hinge or the friction from the table then you will need to bring in a linear momentum equation as well in order to eliminate the unknown. The great benefit of using the rod's axis for its equation and the point of contact of the ball with the table for its equation is that we never get those impulses in the equations.
Ah, shoot. I forgot about that completely. Thank you very much!
 

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