Find Triplets of Positive Integers with Sum of Cubes

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The discussion revolves around finding all triples (a, b, c) of positive integers such that the equation \(a^3 + b^3 + c^3 = (abc)^2\) holds. Participants explore various approaches, assumptions, and potential solutions related to this mathematical problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a, b, and c must be distinct positive integers, with differing assumptions about their equality or distinctness.
  • One participant suggests that if the integers include 0, the left side of the equation grows faster than the right, implying solutions must be limited to small numbers.
  • Another participant provides a polynomial approach to analyze the equation, suggesting that certain conditions on a and b lead to the product of squares exceeding the sum of cubes.
  • There is mention of a trivial solution involving zeros, but participants clarify that positive integers exclude zero.
  • One participant shares a Python program they developed to search for solutions, indicating that they found no solutions beyond the triplet (1, 2, 3) up to a large upper limit.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of the equation under various conditions, including the relationship between a, b, and c, and how it affects the potential for integer solutions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the existence of a finite number of solutions and the need for further exploration or different approaches to prove or disprove potential solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether there are solutions beyond the known triplet (1, 2, 3), and multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions and implications of the equation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the distinctness of integers a, b, and c, and the limitations of the search range for potential solutions. The discussion also highlights the complexity of proving the existence or non-existence of solutions.

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Readers interested in number theory, mathematical problem-solving, or those exploring the properties of cubic equations may find this discussion relevant.

  • #61
PAllen said:
Now, by the argument @anemone posted, we have ##c^2\le 2b^3## and from above ##a^2b^2\lt 4/3c## for c>3. Putting these together, we end up with ##a^4b\lt 32/9##. This forces a=1, ##b\le 3##, thus b is 2 or 3. For b=2, this means c is 3 or 4 (by first equation in this paragraph). But 4 fails the derived relation ##a^2b^2>c##. So only 1,2,3 is possible for this case. For a=1, b=3, we have that c must be 4,5,6,or 7, by the same equation. But then from ##a^2b^2\lt4c/3##, we have that c can only be 7. Then by @anuttarasammyak mod 3 argument, this is excluded.

QED.
Do we really need to prove a case such as ##(1,3,7)## analytically when direct substitution shows it does not satisfy the original equation?
 
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  • #62
bob012345 said:
Do we really need to prove a case such as ##(1,3,7)## analytically when direct substitution shows it does not satisfy the original equation?
Of course not. It’s just avoiding direct test “as a matter of principle”. Obviously, reducing thousands of cases to test to 2 cases is more than adequate in practice.
 
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  • #63
Can't resist one more comment on this. @bob012345 asked the question "what changes past (1,2,3) to prevent another solution?". I can state now that the answer is for any bigger (a,b) value than (1,2) the range of c values that could possibly meet the divisibility requirement (##a^3+b^3## is divisible by ##c^2##) no longer has any overlap with where a real root must lie (c just below ##a^2 b^2##). At (1,2,3) these conditions overlap at c=3. Already at (a,b) = (1,3), the largest c possibly meeting the divisbility requirement is 5 (it doesn't, but it is within range of being possible), while the real root is for c between 8 and 9. The failure of these regions to overlap grows ever larger as (a,b) get larger.
 
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PAllen said:
Can't resist one more comment on this. @bob012345 asked the question "what changes past (1,2,3) to prevent another solution?". I can state now that the answer is for any bigger (a,b) value than (1,2) the range of c values that could possibly meet the divisibility requirement (##a^3+b^3## is divisible by ##c^2##) no longer has any overlap with where a real root must lie (c just below ##a^2 b^2##). At (1,2,3) these conditions overlap at c=3. Already at (a,b) = (1,3), the largest c possibly meeting the divisbility requirement is 5 (it doesn't, but it within range of being possible), while the real root is for c between 8 and 9. The failure of these regions to overlap grows ever larger as (a,b) get larger.
Very interesting but could you please explain the divisibility requirement (##a^3+b^3## is divisible by ##c^2##) , I never understood that point. Thanks.
 
  • #65
bob012345 said:
Very interesting but could you please explain the divisibility requirement (##a^3+b^3## is divisible by ##c^2##) , I never understood that point. Thanks.
The RHS is an integer multiple of ##c^2##, so must the left. But ##c^3## is already multiple of ##c^2##, therefore ##a^3+b^3## must also be such a multiple. This, at minimum requires ##c^2 \le a^3+b^3##.
 
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  • #66
I presume using the same logic you could prove why there is only one solution for three positive integers to the relation? $$a+b+c=abc$$
 
  • #67
bob012345 said:
I presume using the same logic you could prove why there is only one solution for three positive integers to the relation? $$a+b+c=abc$$
Here the divisibility argument doesn't work because all it requires is ##c\le(a+b)## which is required for a solution anyway. Instead, simply solving for c leads to an expression which you can use to rule out c being an integer 'almost' the whole range of a and b (in fact you can show c < 2 almost all the (a,b) range). You are then left with just a few cases to test.
 
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