Find values for k in a system of equations

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of k for which a given system of linear equations has a unique solution, infinite solutions, or no solutions. The focus is on the application of linear algebra concepts, particularly row reduction and the implications of linear dependence and independence.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a unique solution implies linear independence, while infinite solutions indicate dependence with consistency, and no solutions imply inconsistency.
  • Another participant attempts to row-reduce the matrix and presents two different forms of the resulting matrix.
  • There is a proposal to analyze different cases based on the values of (2+k) and (k-1) to determine conditions for unique, infinite, and no solutions.
  • One participant speculates that to achieve a 1 in the third row, one would need to divide by (2+k), but questions whether this operation would affect the entire row.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the conditions for infinite solutions, noting that both (2+k) and (k-1) cannot equal zero simultaneously.
  • There is a discussion about what conditions would lead to an inconsistent system, with references to specific values of k that would create contradictions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for infinite solutions and the implications of certain values of k. There is no consensus on the specific values of k that lead to each type of solution, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, particularly regarding the implications of row operations and the conditions for consistency and inconsistency in the system of equations.

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Hi, the following linear algebra question is causing trouble for me:

For which values of k does the following system of equations have a) a unique solution, b) infinite solutions, and c) no solutions?

[ 1 0 3 | 0 ]
[ 0 1 1 | 1 ]
[ -1 1 k | k ]

I know that having a unique solution implies a linear independence, infinite solutions implies a dependence with consistency, and no solutions implies no consistency.

I have tried getting this matrix into REF, but this didn't help me get any closer to the solution. Any pointers as to where I should start?
 
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jberg074 said:
I have tried getting this matrix into REF, but this didn't help me get any closer to the solution. Any pointers as to where I should start?

What is the resulting matrix? (Or the closest matrix that you can get)
 
Using the following steps:
R3=R3+R1, and
R3=R3-R2, I get:

[ 1 0 3 0 ]
[ 0 1 1 1 ]
[ 0 0 (2+k) (k-1)]

Unless we have to get it in this form?

[ 1 0 3 0
[ 0 1 3+k k
[ 0 0 -(2+k) 1-k
 
Ok, let's break this up into different cases:

a) In the third column, third row, what operation do we perform to obtain a 1? (assuming k+1 != 0)

b) What would (2+k) and (k-1) have to equal in order to get infinite solutions? Is this possible?

c) Think about this one. What would (2+k) (and consequently (k-1)) have to be equal to in order to have no solution? After you have the equation set up, what do you get for k?
 
a) To get 1, I'm guessing we'd have to divide by (2+k)? Since (2+k)/(2+k)=1. However, this operation would have to carry through the whole row, right?

b) I'm not sure at all. They can't each equal zero, because that would yield k=-2 and k=1, which would turn it into an inconsistent system.

c) Would it have to be equal to (k-1)? If so, then all I can get from the equation is k = 3+k. This is also an inconsistency, which would indicate no solutions?
 
jberg074 said:
a) To get 1, I'm guessing we'd have to divide by (2+k)? Since (2+k)/(2+k)=1. However, this operation would have to carry through the whole row, right?

Correct. That is the next step.

jberg074 said:
b) I'm not sure at all. They can't each equal zero, because that would yield k=-2 and k=1, which would turn it into an inconsistent system.

You're partially correct. You want to set them both to 0. A row of 0's is the only way to get infinite solutions (You can verifying this by plugging in 0 for both and reducing the matrix even more) However, as you said, it's impossible to set both to 0, since you get k = -2 and k = 1. Therefore, there does not exist a k that gives infinite solutions.

jberg074 said:
c) Would it have to be equal to (k-1)? If so, then all I can get from the equation is k = 3+k. This is also an inconsistency, which would indicate no solutions?

No. For there to be an inconsistent system, you would need a system that's impossible to solve. For instance:

1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8
0 0 0 1

is an inconsistent system. For the third row, this essentially says that 0x1 + 0x2 + 0x3 = 1, which is impossible. Looking at your problem now, what would (2+k) need to equal? Solve for k. What does (k-1) equal? Is this inconsistent?
 
Allright, thank you so much for your help!
 

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