Find velocity with vector or without vector

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of vector concepts to determine velocity in a physics problem. The original poster presents equations involving velocity components in the x and y directions, questioning the validity of their approach and the relationship between algebraic and vector representations of velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to reconcile their understanding of velocity using both algebraic and vector forms, expressing confusion over the correct application of these concepts. Some participants question the appropriateness of using the Pythagorean theorem in this context, suggesting that the coordinates may not represent a right triangle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of coordinate labels and the classification of the physics involved, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of Lagrange's Equations, which some participants believe may not fit within the scope of introductory physics, indicating a potential mismatch in the level of complexity expected in the forum.

Istiak
Messages
158
Reaction score
12
Homework Statement
Find velocity with vector or without vector
Relevant Equations
vector


At the moment he wrote that ##\frac{1}{2}mv_2^2=\frac{1}{2}m(-\dot{y}+\dot{x})^2##

But, I know from vector ##v_2=\sqrt{(-\dot{y})^2+(\dot{x})^2}##. At first I (he) found that ##v_2=-\dot{y}+\dot{x}##. But, when thinking of simple velocity in ##x## and ##y## coordinate then I get $$v^2=\dot{x}^2+\dot{y}^2$$ (I remember the equation from my last book). What am I taking wrong with the top (absolute top) equation?

In the equation, ##v_2=\sqrt{(-\dot{y})^2+(\dot{x})^2}## if I square both side than I get the equation which I gave above. So, can we write that ##v=\dot{x}+\dot{y}##. Then, if we square both side than that's simple algebraic expression. Maybe, this time I am mixing Algebra with Vector this time.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The Pythagorean theorem applies only to right-triangles.
In this problem, ##x## and ##y## are not the legs of a right-triangle in space,
and neither are ##\dot x## and ##\dot y##.

The labels of the configuration coordinates are arbitrary.
Instead of the pair ##x## and ##y## (which is suggesting unrelated ideas),
use another pair (like ## c## and ## d##).By the way, I don't think Lagrange's Equations are considered "introductory physics" in this forum.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Istiak
robphy said:
By the way, I don't think Lagrange's Equations are considered "introductory physics" in this forum.
So, is that Advanced Physics? 🤔
 
Istiakshovon said:
So, is that Advanced Physics? 🤔
Yeah, for me at least, problems involving the Lagrangian qualify for the Advanced Physics schoolwork forum.

UPDATE -- Thread moved. :smile:
 

Similar threads

Replies
0
Views
1K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
26
Views
5K
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
3K