Find ∂/∂y ∂F/dx (0,0) given F(x,y)

  • Thread starter Thread starter s3a
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on finding the mixed partial derivative ∂/∂y ∂F/∂x at the point (0,0) for the function F(x,y) = xy(8x² + 4y²)/(x² + y²). Participants highlight that while the function is defined at (0,0), its continuity is questionable, leading to confusion about the differentiability at that point. Attempts to compute the derivatives using Wolfram Alpha reveal that the limits do not exist, indicating that the function may not be differentiable at (0,0). The conclusion emphasizes the need to verify continuity before applying differentiation rules.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of partial derivatives
  • Knowledge of limits in multivariable calculus
  • Familiarity with continuity concepts in calculus
  • Experience using computational tools like Wolfram Alpha
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the concept of continuity in multivariable functions
  • Learn about the conditions for differentiability in calculus
  • Explore the use of limits to analyze function behavior at critical points
  • Practice calculating mixed partial derivatives with various functions
USEFUL FOR

Students studying multivariable calculus, particularly those tackling partial derivatives and continuity issues, as well as educators seeking to clarify these concepts in their teaching.

s3a
Messages
828
Reaction score
8

Homework Statement


Attached.


Homework Equations


Just taking derivatives.


The Attempt at a Solution


Basically, at first I was thinking I can differentiate because the original function is continuous at (0,0) so I do and get: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=d/dy+(d/dx+(xy(8x^2+%2B+4y^2)/(x^2%2By^2))). Correct me if I am wrong but I was thinking I had to differentiate this twice partially as the Wolfram Alpha link shows and then plug in (0,0) to the answer that Wolfram Alpha gave but that is also not defined. I tried taking the limit with y = 0 and x = 0 respectively and found that the limit as (x,y) => (0,0) of the differentiated part does not exist. I then thought that wait, having F(0,0) = 0 be defined does not mean that it is continuous so I shouldn't be able to differentiate in the first place. I am now completely confused as to what I need to do. :cry:
 

Attachments

  • Q5.jpg
    Q5.jpg
    19.8 KB · Views: 551
Physics news on Phys.org
Try
d/dx (x*y*(8*x^2+4*y^2)/(x^2+y^2)) for x=0
and you get 4y
Next try
d/dy (x*y*(8*x^2+4*y^2)/(x^2+y^2)) for y=0
and you get 8x
So the second derivatives will give you different results.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
6K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K