Finding a general solution to an equation

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The discussion revolves around finding a general solution to the equation -c^2x^2 + y^2 + 2By + A = 0, which involves the variables x and y, with constants A, c > 0, and B. The original poster seeks two linearly independent solutions to this equation, questioning the possibility of expressing a general solution as a function of either variable.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the equation, identifying it as a hyperbola. There are questions about the meaning of "linearly independent" solutions in this context, as well as inquiries into the relationship between the equation and the telegraph equation, a second-order differential equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the structure of the equation and its implications, while others are seeking clarification on the original problem and any additional context, such as initial conditions or the complete form of the differential equation.

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There is a mention of the need for distinct solutions, as well as the original poster's uncertainty about the constants involved and the overall setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Hi all.

I have the following equation containing the variables x and y, where A, c > 0 and B is a constant, which I am not told anything about:

[tex] -c^2x^2+y^2+2By+A=0.[/tex]

I wish to find two solutions {x_1, y_1} and {x_2, y_2}, to this problem and they must be linearly independent. I thought of doing something like this:

[tex] (-c^2x^2)+(y^2+2By+A)=0,[/tex]

where we now have two second-order polynomials.

My question is: Is there any way to find a general solution to this problem as a function of either x or y?
 
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I'm not following you here. You have an equation in terms of x and y. The solutions of that equation are the collection of (x,y) points which satisfy that equation. So what does it mean for a collection of points to be "linearly independent"? Linear independence should apply only to vectors or functions, don't they?
 
I agree with Defennder :smile:

Your equation is obviously a hyperbola.

Is this part of a larger problem, like a differential equation? :confused:
 
But I need to distinct solution - so if one solution is a multple of the other, then I wouldn't be able to use it.

Is there a way to find a general solution to this problem?
 
Ok, here's the story:

I wish to find two solutions to the telegraph equation (a differential equation, second order, linear and homogeneous). I know that it is on the form of u(x,y) = e^(ax) * e^(by), where the 'a' and 'b' in this equation corresponds to the 'x' and 'y' I wrote in my first post. The 'a' and 'b' can by found using the above equation (inserting 'a' and 'b'):

[tex] <br /> -c^2a^2+y^2+2Bb+A=0.<br /> [/tex]
I wish to solve this.

- I should probably have written this from the beginning.. sorry.
 
Niles said:

Homework Statement


Hi all.

I have the following equation containing the variables x and y, where A, c > 0 and B is a constant, which I am not told anything about:

[tex] -c^2x^2+y^2+2By+A=0.[/tex]

I wish to find two solutions {x_1, y_1} and {x_2, y_2}, to this problem and they must be linearly independent. I thought of doing something like this:

[tex] (-c^2x^2)+(y^2+2By+A)=0,[/tex]

where we now have two second-order polynomials.

My question is: Is there any way to find a general solution to this problem as a function of either x or y?

[tex]c^2x^2- (y^2+ 2By )= A[/tex]
Complete the square: [itex]y^2+ 2By= y^2+ 2By+ B^2- B^2= (y+ B)^2- B^2[/itex]
so
[tex]c^2x^2- (y- B)^2= A+ B^2[/tex]
That is, as tiny-tim said, a hyperbola. I don't understand what you want as a "general solution". That is the general solution: choose any value of y and solve for the corresponding value of x or vice versa.

For example,
[tex]c^2x^2= (y- B)^2+ A+ B^2[/tex]
[tex]x^2= \frac{(y-B)^2+ A+ B^2}{c^2}[/tex]
[tex]x= \frac{\pm\sqrt{(y-b)^2+ A+ B^2}}{c}[/tex]
or
[tex](y- B)^2= c^2x^2- A- B^2[/tex]
[tex]y- B= \pm\sqrt{c^2x^2- A- B^2}[/tex]
[tex]y= B\pm\sqrt{c^2x^2- A- B^2}[/tex]
 
Niles said:
Ok, here's the story:

I wish to find two solutions to the telegraph equation (a differential equation, second order, linear and homogeneous). I know that it is on the form of u(x,y) = e^(ax) * e^(by), where the 'a' and 'b' in this equation corresponds to the 'x' and 'y' I wrote in my first post. The 'a' and 'b' can by found using the above equation (inserting 'a' and 'b'):

[tex] <br /> -c^2a^2+y^2+2Bb+A=0.<br /> [/tex]



I wish to solve this.

- I should probably have written this from the beginning.. sorry.

Can you post the original differential equation, along with any initial conditions and additional information you are given?
 

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