Finding a Matrix that is Similar to A=[1 1;0 1]

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter BrainHurts
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Matrix
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the similarity of the matrix A = [1 1; 0 1] and its inverse A-1 = [1 -1; 0 1]. Participants explore the conditions under which two matrices are similar, particularly focusing on eigenvalues, eigenvectors, characteristic polynomials, and minimal polynomials.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that A and A-1 share the same eigenvalues but question whether this is sufficient for similarity, given the geometric multiplicity of the eigenvalue 1 is less than its algebraic multiplicity.
  • One participant suggests that the characteristic and minimal polynomials being the same indicates similarity, but questions arise regarding the implications of having only one eigenvector for A.
  • Another participant clarifies that for matrices of order less than 4, having the same characteristic and minimal polynomials is enough to conclude similarity, as they would have the same Jordan Canonical Form.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of having matching Jordan blocks for matrices of higher order to establish similarity.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented where if A has an eigenvalue of 1 with algebraic multiplicity n, it is questioned whether A and A-1 would always be similar, depending on their minimal polynomials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of eigenvalues and polynomials for establishing similarity. There is no consensus on whether A and A-1 are similar, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of their eigenvectors and Jordan forms.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to assumptions about eigenvectors and the conditions under which matrices are considered similar, particularly in relation to their Jordan forms and polynomial characteristics.

BrainHurts
Messages
100
Reaction score
0
Is there one?

I know A=[1 1;0 1] and A-1=[1 -1;0 1]

So I know that A and A-1 have the same eigenvalues, I know that this is not sufficient to say that A and A-1 are similar (or maybe) but the dimension of the Eigenspace with eigen value 1 is 1.

In other words the geometric multiplicity does not equal the algebraic multiplicity.

So does this ultimately mean that A and A-1 are not similar?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
BrainHurts said:
Is there one?

I know A=[1 1;0 1] and A-1=[1 -1;0 1]

So I know that A and A-1 have the same eigenvalues, I know that this is not sufficient to say that A and A-1 are similar (or maybe) but the dimension of the Eigenspace with eigen value 1 is 1.

In other words the geometric multiplicity does not equal the algebraic multiplicity.

So does this ultimately mean that A and A-1 are not similar?


First, let us see if what I understand is what you meant:

$$A=\begin{pmatrix}1&1\\0&1\end{pmatrix}\;\;\;,\;\;\;A^{-1}=\begin{pmatrix}1&\!\!-1\\0&1\end{pmatrix}$$

When we talking of square matrices [itex]\,n\times n\;\;,\;n\leq 3\,[/itex], similarity is determined by the characteristic and the minimal polynomials. Since

$$p_A(x)=p_{A^{-1}}(x)=(x-1)^2=m_A(x)=m_{A^{-1}}(x)$$

both matrices are similar.

I'll let you to find out what is the general form of the matrix [itex]\,P\,[/itex] that fulfills

$$P^{-1}AP=A^{-1}$$

DonAntonio
 
thank you very much DonAntonio that was quite helpful!
 
you know what, I just read this again, sorry for jumping the gun

I'm not assuming that A and A-1 are similar, and when I took a good look at this problem again there is only 1 eigenvector for A, so there aren't 2 linearly independent eigenvectors

so far i understand that if two matrices are similar then their characteristic polynomials are the same and as a consequence their eigenvalues.

in this case specifically we can say that (x-1)2 is the minimum polynomial. Is that enough to say that the two matricies are similar?

i guess the main concern of my question comes from the eigenvectors that make up the similarity matrix. in this problem i only have 1 eigenvector, so how can I find a P s.t. P is invertible?
 
BrainHurts said:
you know what, I just read this again, sorry for jumping the gun

I'm not assuming that A and A-1 are similar, and when I took a good look at this problem again there is only 1 eigenvector for A, so there aren't 2 linearly independent eigenvectors

so far i understand that if two matrices are similar then their characteristic polynomials are the same and as a consequence their eigenvalues.

in this case specifically we can say that (x-1)2 is the minimum polynomial. Is that enough to say that the two matricies are similar?

i guess the main concern of my question comes from the eigenvectors that make up the similarity matrix. in this problem i only have 1 eigenvector, so how can I find a P s.t. P is invertible?


In this very particular case it is enough that both the characteristic and the minimal polynomials of two matrices

are equal, just as I mentioned in my first post, since then they both have the very same Jordan Canonical Form (in fact, the

matrix A is already in JCF) , since we're talking of square matrices of order less than 4.

If these were matrices of order 4 or more then the above would not suffice.

And it is unimportant about the eigenvalues, though if there were two difrerent eigenvalues then the matrix would

be diagonal, which in this case is impossible.

About P: you don't need P to be constructed out of eigevectors of the matrix to show some matrix is similar to another one.

DonAntonio
 
DonAntonio said:
If these were matrices of order 4 or more then the above would not suffice.

what would?
 
BrainHurts said:
what would?


Well, the ultimative test: they both must have the very same and exact JCF, which means the very same eigenvalues with the

same algebraic and geometric multiplicities each one...and THEN one must also check the corresponding Jordan blocks are a match.

DonAntonio
 
Hmm I just thought of a question. Suppose A is nxn with eigenvalue 1 with algebraic multiplicity n, then A-1 would have eigenvalue 1 with the same algebraic multiplicity.

Can we always say that A and A-1 are similar?

We can't make any assumptions on the minimal polynomial, but if they have the same minimal polynomial then A and A-1 would be similar to the same jordan matrix.

So where can one go from here?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
3K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
5K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K