Finding a Net Force: Pulling on a Stubborn Mule

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The problem involves two individuals pulling on a mule, represented as vectors in a coordinate system. The forces are described with specific angles and magnitudes, and the task is to find the resultant force and the necessary opposing force to achieve equilibrium.

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  • Participants discuss the graphical method used to find the resultant force and question the concept of net force. There is exploration of how to determine the opposing force needed to balance the system.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the relationship between the forces and the concept of net force. There is a suggestion that the third force should be equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to the resultant force.

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There is some confusion regarding the direction of the forces and how they relate to the net force concept. Participants are clarifying the angles and the implications of the forces being exerted on the mule versus the direction of the pulling forces.

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Ok, last problem of the day lol.. I have found one answer to the problem already, I just need the other half. I'm confused about it though. Please help, thanks. Here Goes:

Two people pull on a stubborn mule, as seen from a helicopter. The picture is like this:
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Ok, in the middle of V it is the y-axis. In quadrant I and II there are a vector in each. The 0 is the mule that they are pulling on.

In quadrant II, they angle is 75 degrees, the Force is 80 N.

In quadrant I, the angle is 60 degrees, the Force is 120 N.


Find a) the single force that is equivalent to the two forces shown, and b) the force that a third person would have to exert on the mule to make the net force equal to zero.


My answer for a):
I got 184 N force at +78 degree north of west.
I used graphical methods(daisy chain, by connected the tail of vector(80 N) to vector (120 N).

How do I find the force that a third person would have to exert on the mule to make the net force equal zero?? I don't even get what a net force is =P
 
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AznBoi said:
Ok, last problem of the day lol.. I have found one answer to the problem already, I just need the other half. I'm confused about it though. Please help, thanks. Here Goes:

Two people pull on a stubborn mule, as seen from a helicopter. The picture is like this:
_V_
0

Ok, in the middle of V it is the y-axis. In quadrant I and II there are a vector in each. The 0 is the mule that they are pulling on.

In quadrant II, they angle is 75 degrees, the Force is 80 N.

In quadrant I, the angle is 60 degrees, the Force is 120 N.

Find a) the single force that is equivalent to the two forces shown, and b) the force that a third person would have to exert on the mule to make the net force equal to zero.


My answer for a):
I got 184 N force at +78 degree north of west.
I used graphical methods(daisy chain, by connected the tail of vector(80 N) to vector (120 N).

How do I find the force that a third person would have to exert on the mule to make the net force equal zero?? I don't even get what a net force is =P
The angle should be 78 degrees north of east (or 12 degrees east of north). The net force is the vector sum of all forces. To make it zero, what should be the magnitude and direction of the third force?
 
yeah I meant 78 degrees N of E.. Would the third Force be the opposite of the equivalent vector?
 
When it says "exert on the mule" does it mean that it is on the mule's side or on the 2 people's side?? I think that it is 184 N but the opposite direction of the 78 degrees N of E. Therefore it would be -78 degrees S of W??
 
Is that right?? 184 N that is -78 degrees S of W?? Like /
 
AznBoi said:
yeah I meant 78 degrees N of E.. Would the third Force be the opposite of the equivalent vector?
Yes, same magnitude, opposite direction. With the third force applied, the net (resultant) force is 0.
 
Ok thanks :smile:
 
AznBoi said:
Is that right?? 184 N that is -78 degrees S of W?? Like /
Yes, but get rid of that minus sign.
 

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