Finding a rocket's speed at height h

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The discussion revolves around finding the speed of a rocket at a certain height, considering thrust and gravitational forces. The subject area includes dynamics and kinematics, focusing on the forces acting on a rocket during its ascent.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the final speed of the rocket using kinematic equations and thrust, but encounters issues when gravitational acceleration is not included. Some participants suggest incorporating gravitational force into the net force equation and question the assumptions made regarding mass change during ascent.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on including gravitational effects and suggesting the use of a Free Body Diagram. There is no explicit consensus yet, as multiple factors are being considered.

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Participants note the neglect of air resistance and the change in mass of the rocket as it ascends, which may affect the calculations. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the correct formulation of the problem.

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Homework Statement
A rocket of mass m is launched straight up with thrust Fthrust.
Find an expression for the rocket's speed at height h if air resistance is neglected.
Express your answer in terms of the variables Fthrust , m , h , and appropriate constants.
Relevant Equations
vfs^2=vis^2+2Δs
a=F/m
I substituted 0 for vi, as the rocket is initially stopped.
I am looking for Vf.
So:
Vf^2=0+2asΔs
Vf^2=2asΔs

I then substituted a=Fthrust/m

So:
Vf^2=2(Fthrust/m)Δs
Δs at any given moment equals h so I substituted h for Δs.
Then took the square root of both sides.
Vf=sqrt(2h(Fthrust/m))

It says it is wrong, and that the correct answer includes the gravitational acceleration constant(g).
I am really stuck. Thanks for helping!
 
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Welcome to PF. :smile:

It does look like you have not included the downward force due to gravity in your net force equation. Can you try including it?

Also, see the LaTeX Guide link below the Edit window to learn how best to post math equations at PF. :smile:
 
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meghanflowers said:
Homework Statement:: A rocket of mass m is launched straight up with thrust Fthrust.
Find an expression for the rocket's speed at height h if air resistance is neglected.
Express your answer in terms of the variables Fthrust , m , h , and appropriate constants.
Relevant Equations:: vfs^2=vis^2+2Δs
a=F/m

I substituted 0 for vi, as the rocket is initially stopped.
I am looking for Vf.
So:
Vf^2=0+2asΔs
Vf^2=2asΔs

I then substituted a=Fthrust/m

So:
Vf^2=2(Fthrust/m)Δs
Δs at any given moment equals h so I substituted h for Δs.
Then took the square root of both sides.
Vf=sqrt(2h(Fthrust/m))

It says it is wrong, and that the correct answer includes the gravitational acceleration constant(g).
I am really stuck. Thanks for helping!
Big hint: Start by sketching a Free Body Diagram of the rocket.

-Dan
 
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This is also ignoring the change in mass of the rocket as it ascends.
 
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