Finding a TVS Diode for 137mV Back EMF Protection

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a suitable transient voltage suppression (TVS) diode to protect against a back EMF of 137mV in a circuit designed for an electromagnet. Participants explore the requirements for the diode and the implications of the specified voltage in relation to circuit design and component selection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding a TVS diode that meets the specific requirements of 137mV back EMF, unidirectional, and with component leads.
  • Another participant inquires about the application of the circuit, suggesting that understanding the context may help in selecting the appropriate diode.
  • A participant describes the intended use of the circuit for an electromagnet, explaining the need for protection against back EMF generated when the magnetic field collapses.
  • One suggestion involves using a transistor for switching, which could protect the microchip from back EMF and allow for higher current switching.
  • Another participant argues that 137mV is a very small voltage and questions the necessity of a suppression device for such a low level, asking for circuit details and calculations to support the requirement.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of finding a TVS diode that can accurately clamp at 137mV, with suggestions that the design requirements may need to be relaxed.
  • A participant mentions that TVS diodes are not typically designed for such low voltage applications and suggests considering alternative solutions, such as using a Schottky diode to limit overshoot.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of a TVS diode for the specified back EMF. There are competing views regarding the appropriateness of the voltage requirement and the potential for alternative solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to protect the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the specified back EMF voltage is quite low, which may complicate the search for a suitable TVS diode. There are indications that the requirements may not align with typical component specifications, and suggestions to reconsider the design are made.

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Hey, I'm trying to find a suitable diode to protect against some back EMF in my circuit, but I don't know much about them and so I'm having a really hard time finding one. If someone could look at what i need and then possibly send me a link i'd be so grateful.

Requirements:
back EMF = 137mV
must be TVS diode with component leads
must be unidirectional

Thank you so much if you can help me with this, I'm at my wits end with this project!
 
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thomsonm said:
Hey, I'm trying to find a suitable diode to protect against some back EMF in my circuit, but I don't know much about them and so I'm having a really hard time finding one. If someone could look at what i need and then possibly send me a link i'd be so grateful.

Requirements:
back EMF = 137mV
must be TVS diode with component leads
must be unidirectional

Thank you so much if you can help me with this, I'm at my wits end with this project!

137mV is a pretty small voltage. What is the application?
 
I'm trying to make a circuit for an electromagnet so that it pulses when a switch is triggered. Obviously once it's pulsed the magnetic field will collapse and create a back EMF.

The component I'm trying to save is a microchip that I'm using as a switch.
 
If you use a transistor to do the switching, you can drive it from your micro. This takes the expensive micro away from any danger and it also allows you to switch more current if you choose a suitable transistor.

Back EMFs are still a problem, and these can be hundreds of volts. This is enough to destroy many transistors.
You can put a diode across the inductor so that it will conduct when there is an EMF and this may be enough to save the transistor.

In the following diagram, resistor R must be chosen to suit your transistor.

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/electromagnet%20driver.JPG
 
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Yeah that's fantastic, but I'm really just looking for a link to a website where I can buy the diode in question, I'm not looking for alternatives.

Thanks for the response, but it's more than I needed
 
137 mV is only 1 / 7 th of a volt so it is no threat to anything.

So you won't find anyone making suppression devices for this voltage.

Could you post your circuit and give your calculations for how you arrived at this figure?


That voltage happens to be about the voltage you would get across a Schottky diode conducting in the forward direction. Maybe that is what you mean?
 
thomsonm said:
Yeah that's fantastic, but I'm really just looking for a link to a website where I can buy the diode in question, I'm not looking for alternatives.

Thanks for the response, but it's more than I needed

If you need to limit back emf to 137mV, it is going to be hard to find a TVS that accurate. Say if your magnet is hooking to 10V, you cannot find a TVS that turn on at 10.137V. I use a lot of TVS, you cannot control that. You'll be lucky to find one even to within 1V.

You better off looking at your design and relax the requirement. I design a few magnet controllers including a 40A high speed high precision controller, never even run into anything close to this requirement. What VK6kro has is the most common way. You can substitude with a schottky diode to limit the overshoot ( back emf) to about 0.4V. This is it, any lower than that, you're going to be beating up your head.

A TVS is just like a high speed zener diode that turn on very quick when you pass certain voltage. They are designed for arc, lighting protection. I don't think you should use it for this purpose. They are not accurate at all. Good luck on finding one that is within 1V accuracy.

Like VK6kro said, 137mV is not going hurt anything. If a design cannot take this back emf, it is the design you need to look at. Post the schematic, I am sure a lot of people here can come up with a solution in no time. Trust me, full filling your requirement is going to be 10 times harder than to redesign a new controller that don't require this.
 

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