Finding Absolute Min Value of OP + OQ with Slope m

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The problem involves finding the absolute minimum value of the sum of distances OP and OQ for a straight line with a negative slope that passes through the point (8,2) and intersects the positive coordinate axes at points P and Q. The context is rooted in geometry and calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the slope-point formula to derive the coordinates of points P and Q, leading to the expression for OP + OQ. There are attempts to differentiate the expression to find minimum values, with some participants questioning the steps involved in differentiation and the reasoning behind setting the derivative to zero.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored, including calculus and inequalities. Some participants have provided insights into the differentiation process and the conditions for finding extremum values, while others are seeking clarification on specific steps.

Contextual Notes

There is a condition that the slope must be negative, which influences the interpretation of the problem. Additionally, there are discussions about the implications of using different forms of the slope and how that affects the resulting expressions for OP + OQ.

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Homework Statement

A straight line L with negative slope passes through the point (8,2) and cuts the positive coordinate axes at points P and Q. As L varies, what is the absolute minimum value of OP + OQ?

The attempt at a solution

Let x and y be two points on the line.
Using the slope point formula, we have (y-2) = m(x-8).
Writing this in intercept form, one gets x/(8 - 2/m) + y/(2 - 8m) = 1.
This implies coordinates of P and Q are (8 - 2/m, 0) and (0, 2 - 8m) respectively.

∴ OP + OQ = 10 + (-2/m - 8/m)

I can't figure out how to proceed from there. How do you find out the minimum value for the last term?
 
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RandomGuy1 said:
This implies coordinates of P and Q are (8 - 2/m, 0) and (0, 2 - 8m) respectively.

∴ OP + OQ = 10 + (-2/m - 8/m)

Actually OP + OQ = 10 - 2/m -8m . You also need the condition m<0 bacause the slope of the line is required to be negative.

If you've learned derivatives at school, you just have to find the extremum values of OP + OQ by solving \frac{d}{dm}\left(10-2/m-8m\right)=0 and choose the negative solution to find the correct value of m.
 
Oh, sorry, I meant -8m. Could you please explain the last step? Why do we equate the derivative to zero?
 
RandomGuy1 said:
Oh, sorry, I meant -8m. Could you please explain the last step? I know the derivative of -8m becomes 8. Wouldn't d/dm (-2/m) simply become -2/m2

Using the rule \frac{d}{dx}x^{n}=nx^{n-1} with n=-1, we get \frac{d}{dm}(-2/m) =-2\frac{d}{dm}m^{-1}=-2\times(-1)\times m^{-2}=2/m^{2}. You just had the wrong sign.

Why do we equate the derivative to zero?

If a differentiable function f(x) has an extremal (smallest or largest) value at some point a, we must have f'(a)=0.
 
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RandomGuy1 said:
Homework Statement

A straight line L with negative slope passes through the point (8,2) and cuts the positive coordinate axes at points P and Q. As L varies, what is the absolute minimum value of OP + OQ?

The attempt at a solution

Let x and y be two points on the line.
Using the slope point formula, we have (y-2) = m(x-8).
Writing this in intercept form, one gets x/(8 - 2/m) + y/(2 - 8m) = 1.
This implies coordinates of P and Q are (8 - 2/m, 0) and (0, 2 - 8m) respectively.

∴ OP + OQ = 10 + (-2/m - 8/m)

I can't figure out how to proceed from there. How do you find out the minimum value for the last term?

If we let the slope be ##-m## we have ##y-2 = -m(x-8)##, with ##m > 0##. We have
\text{OP} + \text{OQ} = 10 + 8m + \frac{2}{m} \equiv S(m). We want to minimize ##S(m)##, so we need to minimize ##8m + 2/m##. We can use calculus, or we can use a trick involving the arithmetic-geometric mean inequality: for ##a, b > 0## we have
\frac{1}{2}(a+b) \geq \sqrt{a b} \Longrightarrow a+b \geq 2 \sqrt{ab}, with equality holding if and only if ##a = b##. So, applying this we have
8m + \frac{2}{m} \geq 2 \sqrt{8m \frac{2}{m}} = 2 \sqrt{16} = 8, with equality holding only when ##8m = 2/m,## or ##m^2 = 1/4##, or ##m = \pm 1/2 \longrightarrow m = 1/2##.
 

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