Finding adjoint of an operator

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The discussion revolves around finding the adjoint of the operator A defined on the space L²[0,1], where the operator is given by (Af)(x) = ∫ from 0 to x f(t) dt. Participants are exploring the properties of adjoint operators and the implications of inner products in this context.

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  • Participants are examining the definition of the adjoint operator and the relevant inner product. They discuss the process of integration by parts as a potential method to manipulate the expressions involved. Questions arise regarding the treatment of dummy variables and limits of integration.

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Some participants are actively working through the integration by parts technique, while others are clarifying concepts related to the inner product and the uniqueness of the adjoint operator. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the left-hand side and right-hand side of the equation involving the adjoint.

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Participants express uncertainty about the integration by parts process and its application to the problem, indicating a need for further clarification on handling limits and dummy variables. The discussion reflects a focus on understanding the underlying mathematical principles rather than arriving at a final solution.

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Find the adjoint of the operator A:L^2[0,1] -> L^2[0,1] defined by (Af)(x) = integ from (0 to x) f(t)dt

so from my notes it says: the operator A* is called the adjoint of A if:
<Ax, y> = <x, A*y> for all x, vE H

i am not sure how to do this, and need to know how to do it for a test
 
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Think about what the inner product in this case is, and keep in mind that the operator A* that satisfies <Ax,y>=<x,A*y> for all x and y is unique.
 
so inner product is <f,g>=integral f(x)g(x) dx
 
Okay, so <Af, g>= <f, A*g> is \int (Af)g dx= \int f(Ag)dx

Since Af= \int_0^x f(t)dt that becomes
\int\left[\int_0^x f(t)dt\right]g(x)dx= \int f(x)\left[A*g(x)\right]dx

You might try doing the left side by "integration by parts" letting u= \int_0^x f(t)dt and dv= g(x)dx
 
i am trying to do the lhs as you said
but i am getting stuck, i have not done integration by parts like this before.
so for u = integ (0 to x) f(t) dt
u' = f(t) ? but what happens to the limits of integration, do they just carry along.
and for dv = g(x) dx,
dv/dx = g(x)
v = integ (g(x) dx)
is that correct?
but what has changed, since there is still a double integral on LHS, and what should i do with the RHS?
 
braindead101 said:
i am trying to do the lhs as you said
but i am getting stuck, i have not done integration by parts like this before.
so for u = integ (0 to x) f(t) dt, u' = f(t) ?
No, du= f(x)dx. The t is a dummy variable.

but what happens to the limits of integration, do they just carry along.
Remember the formula for integration by parts?
\int_a^b udv= uv|_a^b- \int_a^b v du

and for dv = g(x) dx,
dv/dx = g(x)
v = integ (g(x) dx)
is that correct?
It might be better to write
v= \int_0^x g(t)dt

but what has changed, since there is still a double integral on LHS, and what should i do with the RHS?
What has changed is the the "inner integral" on the left is now an integral of g rather than f. Compare the right and left sides and you should conclude that A*g must also be an integral.
 
ok, after the udv part i got
integ (0-x) f(t)dt integ (0-x) g(t)dt - integ (integ (0-x) g(t)dt ) f(x) dt
I see what you are talking about the inner integral, but can i just conclude after this step that A*g must also be an integral?
 

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