Finding an initial speed (projectile motion)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves projectile motion, specifically determining the initial speed of a rock thrown from a height of 20 meters at an angle of 53 degrees. The horizontal range of the throw is equal to the height of the building, and the discussion includes calculating both the initial speed and the time the rock is in the air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various equations related to projectile motion, attempting to derive the initial speed from the given height and angle. There are questions about the correctness of the equations used and the values substituted into them.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified potential errors in the equations and calculations, while others express uncertainty about their methods and whether they are inputting values correctly. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the equations and suggestions for alternative approaches, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in angle values and the potential impact of calculator errors on their results. The problem also includes a follow-up question regarding the time the rock is in the air, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A rock is thrown from the top of a 20-m high building at an angle of 53 degrees above the horizontal. If the horizontal range of the throw is equal to the height of the building, with what speed was the rock thrown? How long is it in the air?

Xf = 20, Xi = 0, Vxi = ?, t = ?, Yf = 0, Yi = 20, Vyi = ?, a = -9.81

Homework Equations



Xf = Xi + Vxi*t
Yf = Yi + Vyi*t + .5(a)(t)^2

The Attempt at a Solution



So first, I tried to find the time. I did this by doing 20 = 0 + Xcos(35)*t where X is initial speed and t is time. I then set t = 20/Xcos(35). I then plugged t back into my Yf equation which gives me 0 = 20 + Xsin(35)*(20/Xcos(35)) - 4.905(20/Xcos(35))^2. Solving this for x gives me about 2.7 m/s which is not right. The answer, according to the answer book, is 11 m/s. Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong?
 
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0 = Xsin(35)*(20/Xcos(35)) - 4.905(20/Xcos(35))^2.
In this equation you have not submitted initial y.
 
Oops, pardon my typo. I have done it including the Vi in the equation, and 2.7 m/s is what i get. I have changed it above.
 
lilmul123 said:
Oops, pardon my typo. I have done it including the Vi in the equation, and 2.7 m/s is what i get. I have changed it above.
The angle is 53 degrees, not 35 degrees.
The equation becomes
0 = 20 + 20*tan53 - 4.9**20^2/vx^2cos^53.
Now solve.
 
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I changed 35 to 53, but it is still incorrect. Is it possible that I am just inputting the formula into my calculator wrong? Maybe this isn't even the way I'm supposed to be solving it? I can't seem to get to 11 m/s no matter how I try.
 
lilmul123 said:
I changed 35 to 53, but it is still incorrect. Is it possible that I am just inputting the formula into my calculator wrong? Maybe this isn't even the way I'm supposed to be solving it? I can't seem to get to 11 m/s no matter how I try.
I have edited the above post. Now try. You will get the answer.
 
That equation can't possibly be correct. You must mean:

0 = 20 + 20*tan(53)Vxi - 4.9*20^2/Vxi^2*cos(53)^2


Regardless, this is still incorrect. I must be doing this problem incorrectly. Do you have any suggestions of another method I might take?


Just for reference, the next part of the problem asks "how long is the rock in the air?" The correct answer in this case is 3.1s, but I do not get this either, obviously.
 
[0 = 20 + 20*tan(53)Vxi - 4.9*20^2/Vxi^2*cos(53)^2]
It is only 20*tan53. There is no vxi there.
 
Thank you very much for your patience with me. I finally got the correct answer. It seems the problem was me with my calculator. Thanks again!
 

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