Finding angular velocity after asteroid collision

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the collision of two non-spinning asteroids, focusing on the calculation of the center of mass velocity and angular velocity after the collision. The context includes considerations of angular momentum and the moment of inertia for spherical objects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of angular momentum and its application to the system of asteroids. Questions arise regarding the validity of considering both asteroids as part of the same system versus treating them separately. There is also exploration of whether the initial and final angular velocities differ and how the changing center of mass during the collision might affect calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using conservation principles, while others are questioning the definitions and variables used in the equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of changing the system and the reference point for calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of defining variables clearly and consider the moment of each asteroid about the common center of mass prior to the collision. There is a mention of external resources, such as lecture videos, which may influence understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


In the figure a spherical non spinning asteroid of mass M = 4E16 kg and radius R = 1.5E4 m moving with speed v1 = 2.4E4 m/s to the right collides with a similar non spinning asteroid moving with speed v2 = 5.9E4 m/s to the left, and they stick together. The impact parameter is d = 1.4E4 m. Note that I_sphere = 2/5*M*R^2.
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After the collision, what is the velocity of the center of mass and the angular velocity about the center of mass? (Note that each asteroid rotates about its own center with this same angular velocity. Assume that the asteroids move in the x-y plane, and that the asteroid of speed v1 moves in the positive x direction.)

Homework Equations


L_A,f = L_A,i
L_Rot = Iω, L_Rot = r1cm x p1 + r2cm x p2
L_tran = r_a,cm x p_tot

The Attempt at a Solution


I have found v_cm. Now I am looking for the angular velocity. I have considered both asteroids to be included in the system and the surroundings to be nothing. Because there are no surroundings dL_A/dt is 0. Therefore, L_Af = L_Ai. If this is the case, the angular velocity should be the same in the initial and final conditions. Is this true?

I then said that L_rot = Iω, and L_rot = r_cm1 X p_1 + r_cm2 X p_2. So I had the following equation:

Iω = r_cm1 X p_1 + r_cm2 X p_2.

Then I solved for ω,

ω = (r_cm1 X p_1 + r_cm2 X p_2)/I.

Is this correct reasoning? Are the initial and final angular velocities different? Should I consider a system with just one asteroid instead?

Thank you
 
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Use the conservation of angular momentum equation.
 
Okay. If I use the conservation form I will need to change my system, correct? So now my system is just one asteroid and my surroundings are the other asteroid.

Can I still use the equations I included or will I need to use another definition L_rot and L_trans?

And to add to my many questions I have, I watched a lecture video on youtube with a similar problem.



The professor explained that the center of mass changed throughout the collision. Will I need to take this into account?
 
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Cpt. DeMorgan said:
Okay. If I use the conservation form I will need to change my system, correct? So now my system is just one asteroid and my surroundings are the other asteroid.
No, it should be simplest and safest to take the mass centre of the system as reference.
You didn't define the variables in your equations, so I cannot say whether they're right.
What is the moment of each about the common mass centre before collision?
 

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