Finding basis for nullspace of transformation

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis for the nullspace of a linear transformation T defined from the space of polynomials of degree 2, P2, to the real numbers, R. The transformation T takes a polynomial p(x) and evaluates it at 0, specifically T(p(x)) = p(0).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the transformation T and its relationship to the nullspace, questioning the nature of the basis elements {x, x^2} and their connection to the polynomial degree. There is discussion about the role of the constant term in the polynomial and how it affects membership in the nullspace.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, clarifying definitions and exploring the properties of the transformation. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of the nullspace and the basis for P2, but there is still some confusion regarding the interpretation of the transformation and its effects on different polynomial forms.

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There are ongoing questions about the definitions and requirements for the nullspace, particularly concerning the evaluation of polynomials at zero and the implications for the basis elements. Participants are also considering the constraints imposed by the polynomial degree and the transformation's behavior on various polynomial forms.

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T: P2 → R (the 2 is supposed to be a subscript) The P is supposed to be some weird looking P denoting that it is a polynomial of degree 2.
T (p(x)) = p(0)

Find a basis for nullspace of linear transformation T.The answer is {x, x^2}

I want to make sure I'm interpreting this correctly.

It only goes to x^2 because of P2 right? Like if it was P3 it would be x, x^2, x^3?

Also I don't understand why it's {x, x^2} is it because x can be 0?
 
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Clandry said:
T: P2 → R (the 2 is supposed to be a subscript) The P is supposed to be some weird looking P denoting that it is a polynomial of degree 2.
T (p(x)) = p(0)

Find a basis for nullspace of linear transformation T.


The answer is {x, x^2}

I want to make sure I'm interpreting this correctly.

It only goes to x^2 because of P2 right? Like if it was P3 it would be x, x^2, x^3?

Also I don't understand why it's {x, x^2} is it because x can be 0?

If p(x) = a2x2 + a1x + a0, what is T(p(x))?
 
Mark44 said:
If p(x) = a2x2 + a1x + a0, what is T(p(x))?

oooo, just a0. Which must be 0 if the p(x) you give is to satisfy the requimrenets for N(T) right?

So essentially the problem is saying P(x)=x and P(x)=x^2?
 
Clandry said:
oooo, just a0. Which must be 0 if the p(x) you give is to satisfy the requimrenets for N(T) right?
No. a0 can be any real number.
Clandry said:
So essentially the problem is saying P(x)=x and P(x)=x^2?
No. How can P(x) be both x and x2?

P(x) is an arbitrary 2nd degree polynomial.

What does it mean for a function to be in the nullspace in this problem?

What is a basis for P2? What does the transformation T do to each of these basis elements?
 
It means it can be spanned by the vectors in the basis which is x and x^2. I think a basis for P2 is {1, x, x^2)?

In my textbookthey define N(T)]{ all v in vector space V and T(v)=0.}
So for this problem
N(T)={P(x) such that P(0)=0}
1 would be dropped out because P(0)=0 wouldn't be satisfied.
 
Clandry said:
It means it can be spanned by the vectors in the basis which is x and x^2.
Yes, but the only reason you know that the x and x2 are in a basis for the nullspace of T is because you are given the answer.
Clandry said:
I think a basis for P2 is {1, x, x^2)?
Yes.
Clandry said:
In my textbookthey define N(T)]{ all v in vector space V and T(v)=0.}
So for this problem
N(T)={P(x) such that P(0)=0}
No. N(T) = {P(x) ##\in## P2 such that T(P(x)) = P(0)}
Clandry said:
1 would be dropped out because P(0)=0 wouldn't be satisfied.

What does the transformation T do to each of the three functions in your basis?
 
That's where I get a bit confused.

T(1)=1
P(x)=x then p(0)=0
So
T(x)=0
T(x^2)=0
?
 
Clandry said:
That's where I get a bit confused.

T(1)=1
P(x)=x then p(0)=0
So
T(x)=0
T(x^2)=0
?

What you have above is OK - where are you confused? You now have enough information to give a basis for Null(T).
 
Got it, just learned how to do this today in class.
Since
T(1)=1
T(x)=0
T(x^2)=0

They form the transformation matrix:
1 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
this is spanned by the vectors {[0 1 0]^t, [0 0 1]^t}
Which correspond to x, and x^2
 

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