Finding Centroids: Self-Tutoring & Simple Examples

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The discussion revolves around finding centroids of geometric shapes, specifically focusing on the calculation of centroids using calculus formulas. Participants explore the understanding and application of the centroid formulas, particularly in the context of a rectangle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the centroid formulas and requests a simple example, specifically for a 3x2 rectangle.
  • Another participant explains that the formula for the x-coordinate of the centroid represents an average position over the shape and suggests computing the integrals directly.
  • A different participant questions how to evaluate the integrals, particularly regarding the boundaries and the relationship between the variables involved.
  • One participant offers clarification on evaluating area integrals by suggesting the region can be split into two integrals and discusses the method of integrating over vertical lines.
  • The same participant provides a specific integral setup for the rectangle and prompts further exploration by asking about the setup for horizontal lines.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the understanding of the integral evaluation process, as there are varying levels of familiarity with the concepts involved. Multiple viewpoints on how to approach the problem remain present.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the evaluation of integrals and the relationship between the variables in the context of area integrals. There are indications of missing foundational knowledge that may affect the discussion.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking to understand the calculation of centroids using calculus, particularly those who are self-tutoring or encountering difficulties with integral evaluation in geometric contexts.

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I'm doing a little self tutoring here, but I'm having trouble finding centroids for geometric shapes. I have a book that gives the formula for x and y coordinates (something like x = int(x dA)/int(dA) and similar for y). I still don't understand it though. Can someone explain it in more detail or link me to somewhere where they do that? A simple example would help, something like finding the centroid of a 3x2 rectangle with a corner at the origin using the calculus formulas. I think once I understand a simple case I'll be able to do more complicated ones.

Thanks!
 
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As far as understanding goes:

<br /> \bar{x} = \frac{\int_R x \, dA}{\int_R \, dA}<br />

is just the expression for an average. The centroid is just the average position of the shape. (So, it's x-coordinate is the average x-coordinate over the shape)


As far as calculuation goes, just do it! Make R the rectangle you described and compute the integrals! (Of course, for this particular shape, there are easier ways to figure out the average position)
 
Hurkyl said:
As far as understanding goes:

<br /> \bar{x} = \frac{\int_R x \, dA}{\int_R \, dA}<br />
As far as calculuation goes, just do it! Make R the rectangle you described and compute the integrals!

This might seem very stupid, but I don't know how to evaluate those integrals. When I'm finding the x coordinate, do I use the boundaries on the x axis? How do I evaluate an integral with an x inside and a dA? They're two different variables.
 
Oh, you've never done area integrals before? Now I understand your problem!

Generally, you evaluate them by splitting them into two integrals. You can think of it as chopping your region up into lines. (or, if you're really clever, other interesting shapes) The outer integral is on the parameter that selects which line, and the inner integral integrates over that line.

For example, if we chop your 3x2 integral up into vertical lines, then we have:

<br /> \int_R x \, dA = \int_0^3 \int_0^2 x \, dy \, dx<br />

(what do you get if you chop it up into horizontal lines?)

Because it's a rectangle aligned with the coordinate axes, the integral is particularly easy. Usually, the bounds for inner integral are functions of the outer variable.
 

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