Finding closest point from a parabola to a plane

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The problem involves finding the point on the parabola defined by the equations ##y^2=x## and ##z=0## that is closest to the plane described by ##z=x+2y+8##. Participants are exploring methods to determine this closest point, particularly through optimization techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using Lagrange multipliers to minimize the distance between the curve and the plane, while others discuss the geometric interpretation of the shortest distance being along a line perpendicular to the plane.
  • There are questions about how to properly set up the function to minimize and the implications of the normal vector of the plane.
  • One participant notes the potential to minimize the squared distance instead of the distance itself for simplicity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with multiple approaches being considered, including Lagrange multipliers and geometric reasoning. Participants are engaging with the problem by questioning the setup and exploring different methods without reaching a consensus on a single approach.

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Participants are operating under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the methods they can use or the assumptions they can make. There is an emphasis on finding a point on the parabola that satisfies the conditions of proximity to the plane.

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Homework Statement .

Find the point in the parabola ##y^2=x##, ##z=0## closest to the plane ##z=x+2y+8##


The attempt at a solution.

I've solved some problems where I had to find the closest point from a given surface to another point on the space. In this case, I have to find the distance between a curve and a plane so to speak. Maybe I could use Lagrange multipliers, but I am not so sure how to apply it in this particular problem.
 
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You can use Lagrange multipliers but the tricky part is finding the function which should be minimized.That can be done by recalling the definition of the distance of a point to a plane. That's just the length of the line from the point normal to the plane.The normal vector of your plane is \hat{n}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}(1,2,-1). Now consider a point P(x,y,z) in space.But I want P to be on the parabola you mentioned so it becomes P(y^2,y,0).I make a line with P and -\hat{n}.L:(y^2-tn_x,y-tn_y,-tn_z) t being a parameter.Now let's see in what t,my line intersects your pane!
<br /> -tn_z=y^2-tn_x+2(y-tn_y)+8 \Rightarrow (n_x+2n_y-n_z)t=y^2+2y+8 \Rightarrow t=\frac{y(y+2)+8}{n_x+2n_y-n_z}=t_p
Now we can find the distance of a point on your parabola to your plane by d=\sqrt{(y^2-t_p n_x-y^2)^2+(y-t_p n_y-y)^2+(-t_pn_z)^2}=t_p \sqrt{n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2} But \hat{n} is a unit vector so d=t_p.The function you should minimize,is t_p.
But wait...We now have a function of one variable with no constraints...so you can just differentiate with respect to y and set it equal to zero and that gives you the answer.
 
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Another way to do it is to use the geometric fact that the "shortest distance" to a plane is always along a line perpendicular to the plane. We can write this plane as x+ 2y- z= -8 so it has <1, 2, -1> as perpendicular vector. A line through (x_0, y_0, 0) in the direction of that vector is x= x_0+ t, y= y_0+ 2t, z= -t. Further we have y_0= x_0^2 so we can write that line as x= x_0+ t, y= x_0^2+ 2t, z= -t.

That line will cross the plane when x_0+ 2(x_0^2+ 2t)- (-t)= 5t+ x_0+ 2x_0^2= -8. You can solve that for t in terms of x_0, so determine the point in terms of x_0. Then minimize the distance (more easily, the distance squared) to find x_0.
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .

Find the point in the parabola ##y^2=x##, ##z=0## closest to the plane ##z=x+2y+8## The attempt at a solution.

I've solved some problems where I had to find the closest point from a given surface to another point on the space. In this case, I have to find the distance between a curve and a plane so to speak. Maybe I could use Lagrange multipliers, but I am not so sure how to apply it in this particular problem.

Besides what others have said, you can (as you wanted) use the Lagrange multiplier method: minimize the squared distance from (t^2,t,0) to (x,y,z), subject to x+2y-z+8=0. The variables are t,x,y,z. This works out very nicely.
 
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