Finding Displacement based on Velocity Graph

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The problem involves determining the displacement of a goalie based on a velocity-time graph. The graph indicates an initial velocity of 3.0 m/s, which increases to 4.0 m/s over 1.2 seconds, followed by a decrease to 0 m/s by 2 seconds. The task is to find the distance from the starting point at t=0 to the position at t=2.0 seconds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of calculating displacement as the area under the velocity-time graph, questioning the subtraction of areas representing different segments of the graph. Some express confusion about whether to add or subtract areas based on the direction of velocity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of how to calculate displacement from the graph. Some have provided clarifications regarding the nature of velocity and its implications for displacement, while others seek further explanation of the underlying concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the relationship between velocity and displacement, particularly in the context of positive and negative values. There is also mention of calculus concepts related to the area under the curve, suggesting a foundational knowledge gap that may be influencing the discussion.

Lori

Homework Statement


A goalie moves in a straight line and her velocity is described by the graph shown. How far away is the goalie at the time t=2.0 from where she was at t =0?

The description of the velocity/time graph:
initial velocity is 3.0 m/s and increases to 4.0 m/s in 1.2 seconds (slope m =1/(1.2)). From 1.2 seconds to 2 seconds, the velocity decreases to 0 (the slope seems to be m= -2)

Homework Equations


Displacement = area of undercurve.

The Attempt at a Solution


I was given the graph, so i thought displacement would be to find the area under the lines...but apparently not.
I subtracted the area that forms the square and the triangle to find the displacement and got 2.6 m/s
Can someone please tell me what I did wrong?! :(
 

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Lori said:

Homework Statement


here's the pic of the graph:

https://imgur.com/a/rq1Xb

Homework Equations


Displacement = area of undercurve.

The Attempt at a Solution


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I subtracted the area that forms the square and the triangle to find the displacement, but it's the wrong answer.

My work is shown in the picture...

Can someone please tell me what I did wrong?! :(

Vert few, if any, helpers will look at your attachment until you take the trouble to post it with correct orientation. Lying sideways on my desk in order to read it is not an option.

Anyway, the graph is simple enough to describe in words and just type out here.
 
@Lori, why are you subtracting A2 from A1+A3?
 
cnh1995 said:
@Lori, why are you subtracting A2 from A1+A3?
I thought since the goalie is going in the negative direction that i should subtract them... Am i suppose to just add them all up?
 
Lori said:
Am i suppose to just add them all up?
Yes.
 
Lori said:
I thought since the goalie is going in the negative direction that i should subtract them... Am i suppose to just add them all up?
Suppose the goalie were going in the negative direction, what would that mean for his velocity?
Wouldn't his velocity be negative as well?
 
Can someone explain how the displacement can be found from calculating the area under the graph? I don't understand how
 
Lori said:
Can someone explain how the displacement can be found from calculating the area under the graph? I don't understand how
Have you studied calculus?
 
Lori said:

Homework Statement


A goalie moves in a straight line and her velocity is described by the graph shown. How far away is the goalie at the time t=2.0 from where she was at t =0?

The description of the velocity/time graph:
initial velocity is 3.0 m/s and increases to 4.0 m/s in 1.2 seconds (slope m =1/(1.2)). From 1.2 seconds to 2 seconds, the velocity decreases to 0 (the slope seems to be m= -2)

Homework Equations


Displacement = area of undercurve.

The Attempt at a Solution


I was given the graph, so i thought displacement would be to find the area under the lines...but apparently not.
I subtracted the area that forms the square and the triangle to find the displacement and got 2.6 m/s
Can someone please tell me what I did wrong?! :(

You would subtract areas if her velocity switched from + to - , but that is not what is happening here. Here velocity remains > 0, but decreases between t = 1.2 and t = 2 seconds. The acceleration switches from + to - , but that is a different story.
 
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Lori said:
Can someone explain how the displacement can be found from calculating the area under the graph? I don't understand how
Suppose we drive a car at constant speed.
Then the distance covered is the speed times the time that we drive, isn't it?
Doesn't that correspond to the area of the rectangle that is under the speed-time graph?
Now suppose we slow down a bit and keep driving for the same time.
Then the total distance increases by the area of the second rectangle, doesn't it?

More generally this is also true if our speed changes continuously.
The distance covered is the area under the speed-time graph.

To reduce the total distance, we need to put the car in reverse and drive backwards -- that is, we need negative speed.
 
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I like Serena said:
Suppose we drive a car at constant speed.
Then the distance covered is the speed times the time that we drive, isn't it?
Doesn't that correspond to the area of the rectangle that is under the speed-time graph?
Now suppose we slow down a bit and keep driving for the same time.
Then the total distance increases by the area of the second rectangle, doesn't it?

More generally this is also true if our speed changes continuously.
The distance covered is the area under the velocity-time graph.

To reduce the total distance, we need to turn the car around and drive back -- that is, we need negative velocity.

I always forget that positive velocity even if it's decreasing that it is still moving in the positive direction if it's above the x axis. Thanks for that!
 
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cnh1995 said:
Have you studied calculus?
Mathematically, velocity v(t) is the rate of change of displacement with time i.e.
v(t)=dx/dt

∴∫v(t) dt=∫dx

i.e. x(t)=∫v dt

Since integration of v w.r. time represents area under the v-t curve, displacement is the area under v-t curve (and its slope gives the instantaneous acceleration dv/dt).

Similarly, area under acceleration-time curve would give you velocity.
 

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