Finding Displacement of Elevator in Accelerating Frame

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The problem involves a boy in an accelerating elevator throwing a ball upward and analyzing the motion of both the ball and the elevator. The context is kinematics, specifically focusing on relative motion and acceleration in a non-inertial frame.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the initial velocity of the ball and the elevator's acceleration. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of initial velocities and the reference frame used for calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the elevator's acceleration on the ball's motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of velocities and the use of pseudo forces in the analysis. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions related to the initial conditions of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty about the initial velocity of the elevator and how it affects the calculations. The discussion also touches on the need to consider the frame of reference when analyzing the motion of the ball and the elevator.

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Homework Statement


A boy standing in an elevator accelerating upward throws a ball upward with a vo.
The ball returns to his hands after time t. The acceleration of the lift is

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The Attempt at a Solution


After time t, displacement of the ball = displacement of the lift
vo t - 1/2 gt2 = ?
What should the displacement of the lift be?
According to me, it should be ut + 1/2at2.
Problem is, I don't know what the initial velocity of the lift is, i.e. what u is.
What do I do?
 
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The quantity v0 is probably to be interpreted as the initial velocity of the ball relative to the elevator. You are writing equations relative to the ground. So, what is the initial velocity of the ball relative to the ground?
 
You are likely expected to understand that the velocity v0 is the velocity of the ball relative to the elevator. You can make any assumption on the velocity of the elevator, it should not affect the result - simply assume it is an undetermined velocity u.
 
Ok thank you!
So, displacement of the body in the frame of the elevator is 0 in time t, and so I can consider a pseudo force a on the elevator.
v0t - 1/2 (g+a) t^2 = 0
a= (2v0 - gt)/t
 
Correct.
 

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