Finding Domain for Natural Log with Exponent f(x)=ln(x^2−5x)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the domain of the function $$f(x) = \ln(x^2 - 5x)$$. Participants explore the conditions under which the logarithm is defined, focusing on the inequality that must be satisfied for the argument of the logarithm to be positive.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to deal with the exponent in the logarithmic function.
  • Another participant states the requirement that $$x^2 - 5x > 0$$ must be satisfied.
  • A participant explains that a product of two numbers is positive if both factors are of the same sign.
  • Participants discuss factoring the expression, leading to the form $$x(x-5) > 0$$ and consider the implications of the roots at $$x = 0$$ and $$x = 5$$.
  • There is a suggestion to use knowledge of parabolic graphs to determine where the expression is positive or negative based on the sign of the leading coefficient.
  • One participant proposes that the domain is $$(-\infty, 0) \cup (5, \infty)$$, while another confirms this conclusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the requirement for the argument of the logarithm to be positive and the identification of the roots. However, there is some initial confusion regarding the correct intervals for the domain, which is clarified later in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the steps following the factorization of the quadratic expression and the testing of intervals, indicating that the discussion does not fully resolve these aspects.

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I just asked a similar question, but I got help for that one, and now I am stumped again.

I need to find the domain for $$f(x) = ln(x^2-5x)$$

What's confusing me is how to deal with the exponent. I can't think of a way to get around it.
 
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Okay, we require:

$$x^2-5x>0$$

Can you factor the expression on the LHS?
 
A product of two numbers is positive if and only if both factors have the same sign- both negative or both negative.
 
MarkFL said:
Okay, we require:

$$x^2-5x>0$$

Can you factor the expression on the LHS?

$$ x^2-5x>0 $$ becomes $$x(x-5)>0$$ or $$x^2>5x$$ depending on what I do. I'm just not sure where to take it after that.
 
RidiculousName said:
$$ x^2-5x>0 $$ becomes $$x(x-5)>0$$ or $$x^2>5x$$ depending on what I do. I'm just not sure where to take it after that.

Observing that \(x^2-5x=x(x-5)\) tells us that the roots are:

$$x\in\{0,5\}$$

Rather than testing intervals though, let's use what we know about the parabolic graphs of quadratic functions. We see the coefficient of the squared term is positive, which means the parabola opens upwards, and so, given that it has two real roots, we should expect the expression to be positive on either side of the two roots, and negative in between. Can you proceed?
 
MarkFL said:
Observing that \(x^2-5x=x(x-5)\) tells us that the roots are:

$$x\in\{0,5\}$$

Rather than testing intervals though, let's use what we know about the parabolic graphs of quadratic functions. We see the coefficient of the squared term is positive, which means the parabola opens upwards, and so, given that it has two real roots, we should expect the expression to be positive on either side of the two roots, and negative in between. Can you proceed?

So, since the coefficient of the squared root is positive, I can tell it's $$(\infty,0)\cup(5,\infty)$$?
 
RidiculousName said:
So, since the coefficient of the squared root is positive, I can tell it's $$(\infty,0)\cup(5,\infty)$$?

I believe you mean:

$$(-\infty,0)\cup(5,\infty)$$

and yes, this is correct. (Yes)
 

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