Finding Eigenvalue for Ĥ: A Homework Statement

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvalue for the Hamiltonian operator Ĥ, defined as Ĥ = - (ħ²/(2m))(∇²) - A/r, where r is the radial distance and A is a constant. The original poster attempts to show that a specific function of the form f(r) = Ce^(-r/a) is an eigenfunction of Ĥ, provided that the constant a is chosen correctly.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the eigenvalue E and the constants a, C, and A, questioning how to eliminate the variable r from the equations. There are attempts to manipulate the Hamiltonian operator and the wave function to derive expressions for E and a.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the conditions under which E can be independent of r, with some suggesting that the normalization constant C does not affect the eigenvalue. There is recognition of the need to include the wave function in the potential energy term, and some participants express confusion about the role of the constants involved.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of the Hamiltonian's structure and the nature of the potential energy term, as well as the assumptions regarding the constants a and C being independent of r.

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Homework Statement


Suppose:

Ĥ = - (ħ2/(2m))(delta)2 - A/r
where r = (x2+y2+z2)
(delta)2 = ∂2/∂x2 + ∂2/∂y2 + ∂2/∂z2
A = a constant

Then, show that a function of the form,

f(r) = Ce-r/a

with a, C as constants, is an EIGENFUNCTION of Ĥ provided that the constant a is chosen correctly. Find the correct a and give the eigenvalue.

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


Because Ĥ is an energy (Hamiltonian) operator, I put E as an eigenvalue in the following equation: Ĥf(r) = Ef(r)
So...
- (ħ2/(2m))(delta)2[Ce-r/a] - A/r = ECe-r/a
- (ħ2/(2m)) [Ce-r/a/a2 - 2Ce-r/a/(ra)] - A/r = E*Ce-r/a
..was what I've been doing...so:

E = - {(ħ2/(2m)) [Ce-r/a/a2 - 2Ce-r/a/(ra)] - A/r}/(Ce-r/a)

..but I am at loss as to if it is the right E eigenvalue and as how to get the "a" value? Also, a question--is {-A/r} in the Hamiltonian operator a potential energy part?
 
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Hint: The energy eigenvalue must be a constant independent of the coordinate r.
 
Independent of r? So, does it mean E should be some number based on a, C, and A?

I have been trying to eliminate "r", but I keep failing:

- (ħ2/(2m))(delta)2[Ce-r/a] - A/r = ECe-r/a
- (ħ2/(2m)) (C/a) [1/a - 2/r] - A/(re-r/a) = E*C
- Cħ2/(2ma) (1/a - 2/r) - A/(re-r/a) = EC

...I still haven't managed to eliminate r...
 
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Well, C is a normalization constant and will not matter. You must determine a such that E is independent of r. Being a constant independent of the coordinates is the entire point of E being an eigenvalue to H.
 
Wait, I am getting slightly confuse--I thought a was supposed to be some value, without "r" in it?
 
Yes, a is also a constant independent of r.

Note that you have also forgotten the f(r) in the potential energy term in the original post ...
 
Could you please clarify by what you mean by:

Orodruin said:
Note that you have also forgotten the f(r) in the potential energy term in the original post ...

I thought -A/r was potential energy term?
 
terp.asessed said:
- (ħ2/(2m))(delta)2[Ce-r/a] - A/r = ECe-r/a
In this expression, you have included Ce-r/a in all terms except the -A/r term. This term is also a part of the Hamiltonian and must also act on the wave function. In the end, you should be able to divide out this term.
 
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Ohhhhhhhh, so Hf(x) = - (ħ2/(2m))(delta)2[Ce-r/a] - A[Ce-r/a]/r ? Plus, -Af(x)/r is the potential term, then?

Thank you for your patience with me!
 
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Yes. After performing the derivatives you should now be able to fix a such that E is a constant independent of r.
 
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So, a = Am/ħ2 and E = -ħ2/(2ma2) = -ħ6/(2m3A2)?
 
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I believe you have made an arithmetic error. You should obtain the inverse of your expression for a. Otherwise I think you now have the correct idea.
 
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fixed my mistake and got a = ħ2/(Am), and E = -A2m/(2ħ2)

By the way, just on my own (aside from hw-related question previously), I sketched the function f(r) = Ce-r(Am/ħ2) as a function of r and I am curious if the graph does correspond to the ground state?
 
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