Finding electric potential where electric field is zero

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The problem involves determining the electric potential at a specific point on the x-axis where the electric field is zero, given two point charges: a -10.0 nC charge and a +20.0 nC charge separated by 15.0 cm. The discussion centers around the calculations related to electric fields and potentials in electrostatics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the position where the electric field is zero by setting up equations based on the electric field contributions from both charges. Some participants question the choice of a negative value for the distance and whether the calculations properly account for the direction of the electric field.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the implications of the chosen values for distance in the calculations. There is recognition of a potential error in the approach regarding the treatment of distances when computing potentials, and some guidance has been offered about considering the direction of the electric field.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made regarding the distances used in the calculations, particularly concerning the sign of the distance and how it affects the electric field and potential. Participants are also reflecting on the validity of the original poster's approach and the implications of the mathematical setup.

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Homework Statement


A -10.0 nC point charge and a +20.0 nC point charge are 15.0 cm apart on the x-axis.
What is the electric potential at the point on the x-axis where the electric field is zero?

Homework Equations


##E = k\frac{Q}{r^2}##
##V = k\frac{Q}{r}##

The Attempt at a Solution


I've set up my problem as follows:
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I'm looking for the ##r## such that ##E = E_1 + E_2 = 0##. Setting up my equations gets me:
$$k\frac{(-10\times10^{-9})}{r^2} + k\frac{(20\times10^{-9})}{(0.15 - r)^2} = 0$$
$$\frac{20}{(0.15 - r)^2} = \frac{10}{r^2}$$
I used Wolfram to skip some algebra and got ##r = -\frac{3}{20}(1 + \sqrt{2})## and ##r = \frac{3}{20}(\sqrt{2}-1)##. Given that there has to be an electric field between the two point charges (unless I really need to brush up on my physics), I use the negative value for ##r##.
I set up the potential and try to solve as follows:
$$V = k\frac{(-10\times10^{-9})}{-\frac{3}{20}(1 + \sqrt{2})} + k\frac{(20\times10^{-9})}{(0.15 + \frac{3}{20}(1 + \sqrt{2}))}$$
I've done this a few times, even with some different numbers, and I keep getting the same answer of 599.2, but this is incorrect. What am I missing/doing wrong?
 
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Consider whether the math takes into account the change in field direction when it "passes through" one of the charges. If not, what can you do to avoid the problem?
 
cmkluza said:
I used Wolfram to skip some algebra and got ##r = -\frac{3}{20}(1 + \sqrt{2})## and ##r = \frac{3}{20}(\sqrt{2}-1)##. Given that there has to be an electric field between the two point charges (unless I really need to brush up on my physics), I use the negative value for ##r##.
EDIT: sorry, I didn't note your valid argument about r having to be <0. So you picked the right r < 0. But what I said below holds.
Also, when computing potentials, distance is always +.
 
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rude man said:
why did you pick a negative value for r?
For the excellent reason cmkluza gave.
rude man said:
when computing potentials, distance is always +.
That is indeed the error.
gneill said:
Consider whether the math takes into account the change in field direction when it "passes through" one of the charges.
Despite cmkluza's first equation, the second equation has equated the magnitudes of the fields, which handles that issue at the expense of introducing the spurious positive root.
 

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