Finding equation from logarithmic graph

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The discussion revolves around finding an equation that represents a line on a logarithmic graph, specifically focusing on a line that descends towards zero. Participants explore the nature of the graph, the appropriateness of different mathematical models, and the potential issues with the graph's scale.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant is attempting to derive an equation of the form y=a*b^x but finds discrepancies between their calculations and the graph.
  • Another participant suggests that a linear model may suffice since the line appears straight, questioning the need for a more complex approach.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of the y-axis scale, with some participants speculating that the logarithmic scale might be incorrectly represented.
  • One participant calculates the slope of the line segment between two points on the graph and finds it matches a derived formula, but expresses confusion over discrepancies in commission values at certain prices.
  • There is a suggestion that the graph's numbers may be misaligned, proposing that adjusting the scale could resolve the confusion regarding the equation's accuracy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a linear model is appropriate versus a logarithmic model. There is also uncertainty regarding the accuracy of the graph's scale, with no consensus on the correct representation of the data.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the logarithmic scale being used and the potential misalignment of values on the graph, which may affect the interpretation of the equation.

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I've spent some time researching and trying to find an equation for this line, but it's not exact. I'm only searching for the equation of the line that descends towards zero (the angled line). I plugged in some numbers and it does not match the graph, the line on the graph is steeper. I start with y=a*b^x, solve for a and b then solve to show what x equals (commission). I followed some log rules and end up with the equation you see below in the image.

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It seems you are making this more complicated than it needs to be - the line is straight - so a linear model should be sufficient. Can you find a linear equation that represents the line?
 
greg1313 said:
It seems you are making this more complicated than it needs to be - the line is straight - so a linear model should be sufficient. Can you find a linear equation that represents the line?

I think the y-axis is intended to be a logarithmic scale. Is the y-axis number scale wrong? Is that the problem?
The line was placed on some generic log scale graph, then a line was drawn.
 
Hi dsm7272,

It's pretty hard (if not impossible) for me to tell what logarithmic scale is being used and I think that information is crucial. Do you have any more information about the graph?
 
dsm7272 said:
I think the y-axis is intended to be a logarithmic scale. Is the y-axis number scale wrong? Is that the problem?
The line was placed on some generic log scale graph, then a line was drawn.

Hi dsm7272! Welcome to MHB! (Smile)

If I try to find the slope of the line segment with end points at prices 500 and 4500, I get $\frac{10\%-4\%}{\log(500) - \log(4500)} = -0.0628771$.
And from the formula the slope should be $\dfrac{1}{\log\sqrt[0.06]{\frac 19}} = -0.0628771$.
So that is a match.
 
I like Serena said:
Hi dsm7272! Welcome to MHB! (Smile)

If I try to find the slope of the line segment with end points at prices 500 and 4500, I get $\frac{10\%-4\%}{\log(500) - \log(4500)} = -0.0628771$.
And from the formula the slope should be $\dfrac{1}{\log\sqrt[0.06]{\frac 19}} = -0.0628771$.
So that is a match.
Thank you. Are you saying my equation is correct? Because when I go to plug in 1,500 as the price I get 7% commission. But, on the graph it's more like 7.4%. and that's where I'm confused. Maybe the scale of the graph is off?
 
dsm7272 said:
Thank you. Are you saying my equation is correct? Because when I go to plug in 1,500 as the price I get 7% commission. But, on the graph it's more like 7.4%. and that's where I'm confused. Maybe the scale of the graph is off?

Indeed!
The numbers have been placed wrong on the graph paper.
The graph should look like:
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If I'm not mistaken, it could be fixed by putting all prices one line down.
That is, the 500 should be at the bottom. And 5000 should be at the top.
That is:
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