Solving an Exponential Equation with Logarithm Rules

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving an exponential equation involving logarithm rules, specifically in the context of finding the unknown exponent \( n \) in the equation \( A = B\frac{(1+x)^n-1}{x} \). Participants explore various approaches to isolate \( n \) and apply logarithmic transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in applying logarithm rules to isolate \( n \) after substituting values into the equation.
  • Another suggests that there may be additional steps to take before applying logarithms to the right-hand side (RHS) of the equation.
  • A participant points out that the step taken does not correctly bring down the exponent \( n \) and suggests further simplification of the RHS is necessary.
  • There is a clarification on the abbreviation "RHS," which stands for right-hand side.
  • One participant proposes that simplifying the RHS results in 1, questioning the correctness of the previous steps taken.
  • Another participant advises isolating \( (1+x)^n \) before applying logarithms to both sides of the equation.
  • A participant highlights that there are two variables, \( x \) and \( n \), in the expression, implying that specifying \( x \) would simplify finding \( n \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to isolate \( n \). Multiple competing views on the steps to take and the application of logarithm rules remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the manipulation of the equation, particularly in how logarithmic properties are applied and the treatment of the variables involved.

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Having an issue with applying logarithm rules. I'm trying to find the value of an exponent in an equation of the form: A=B\frac{(1+x)^n-1}{x}
I have reviewed logarithm rules and cannot get to the answer, n, which is the only unkown variable in the equation. I've divided A by B, but am stuck at that point. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Edit:

Just to be more clear I've plugged in some sample values in the event my variable choices were confusing:

230,000=1500\frac{(1+.00077)^n-1}{.00077}

I'm now at

153.33=\frac{(1+.00077)^n-1}{.00077}

...and stuck :( I think I need to log both sides, something like log 153.33=(n)log \frac{(1+.00077)-1}{.00077} .
 
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If you divide by B, I think there is another step you could also come up with before the pace changes.
 
log153.33=(n)log(1+.00077)−1.00077

I think you are on the right track sort of but that step you took does not bring down the 'n'. Need to do some more to RHS before that can happen.
 
What do you mean by RHS?
 
right hand side
 
If I simplify the RHS further, isn't it just 1? \frac{(1+.00077)-1}{.00077}
 
jsully said:
A=B\frac{(1+x)^n-1}{x}

From there, to try to get the RHS to look like this:
(1+x)^n

To do that, you will have to simplify by adding, dividing, and multiplying values to both sides of the equation. Try and figure out the correct order and with what values that will work.

Once you are left with (1+x)^n , you can take logarithms. Then finish isolating n.

GTG though. GL.
 
jsully said:
If I simplify the RHS further, isn't it just 1? \frac{(1+.00077)-1}{.00077}

The problem that Square1 is trying to get you to notice is that you wrote something akin to ##\ln(a^n + b) = n \ln(a +b)##, which is NOT correct. You need to isolate the "an" (in your case, the (1+x)n) before you apply the logarithm to both sides of your equation.
 
jsully,

...I have reviewed logarithm rules and cannot get to the answer, n, which is the only unkown variable in the equation. ...

What are you trying to do? You have two variables in that expression, namely "x" and "n". If you specify x, then calculating n is trivial.

Ratch
 

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