Finding Finite Series for Euler's Number (e)

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The discussion revolves around finding a finite series representation for Euler's number (e). Participants explore various definitions and properties of e, including its derivation from limits and infinite series, while questioning the feasibility of expressing e as a finite series involving only rational numbers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that e is derived from the expression (1+(1/n))^n as n approaches infinity and seeks a finite series representation.
  • Another participant suggests that a common infinite series for e is e = 1/0! + 1/1! + 1/2! + 1/3! + ..., and mentions that e^x can also be expressed as a series.
  • A third participant introduces an alternative limit definition of e, lim_{n \to 0} (1+n)^{1/n}, and discusses its implications for the derivative of e^x.
  • One participant argues that any finite series involving only integers and fractions must yield a rational number, asserting that since e is not rational, a finite series representation is impossible. They further state that any such series would require transcendental coefficients, complicating the matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of representing e as a finite series. While some provide definitions and representations of e, others contest the feasibility of a finite series due to the nature of e as a transcendental number.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of finite series in approximating transcendental numbers like e, and the dependence on definitions and interpretations of series and limits. There is no resolution on the possibility of a finite series representation.

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well, i kno that e is derived from (1+(1/n))^n, as n goes to infinity, but i want to find a finite series . if i plot a curve like this on a graph, then take its derivative, i can tske a value of e.
 
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eddybob123 said:
well, i kno that e is derived from (1+(1/n))^n, as n goes to infinity, but i want to find a finite series . if i plot a curve like this on a graph, then take its derivative, i can tske a value of e.

A "finite series"? What do you mean? If you meant an infinite series a common one is [itex]e = \frac{1}{0!}+\frac{1}{1!}+\frac{1}{2!}+\frac{1}{3!}+...[/itex]. In fact e^x is sometimes defined as
[tex]\frac{1}{0!}+\frac{x}{1!}+\frac{x^2}{2!}+\frac{x^3}{3!}+...[/tex]
 
Another useful definition of e, especially for calc I derivation of the e^x rule, is [tex]lim_{n \to 0} (1+n)^{1/n}[/tex].

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}e^x=lim_{h \to 0} \frac{e^{x+h}-e^x}{h}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}e^x=e^xlim_{h \to 0} \frac{e^h-1}{h}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}e^x=e^xlim_{h \to 0} \frac{\left(\left(1+h\right)^{1/h}\right)^h-1}{h}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}e^x=e^xlim_{h \to 0} \frac{1+h-1}{h}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}e^x=e^x[/tex]
 
eddybob123 said:
well, i kno that e is derived from (1+(1/n))^n, as n goes to infinity, but i want to find a finite series . if i plot a curve like this on a graph, then take its derivative, i can tske a value of e.
Any finite series, involving only integers and fractions of integers, must give a rational number. e is not rational so there can be no such finite series. In fact, because e is transcendental, any such series would have to involve transcendental numbers as coefficients which would be as difficult to work with as e itself.
 

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